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PostedFeb 9, 2009 at 8:18 pm

Just curious, on the Aircore 1 Accessory Cord page here on BPL, it says Ryan Jordan uses it exclusively year round. But my research indicates that there is a lighter and more practical cord:

http://www.zpacks.com/accessories/spectra_cord.shtml

Z-Packs Spectra cord = .35 oz. per 50ft. and
100lbs. breaking strength

Aircore 1 Spectra Accessory Cord = 1.1 oz. per 50ft. and 216lbs. breaking strength

The Z cord won't tangle as easily, has a very good breaking strength, and is lighter. Why are people still using the Aircore?

-Evan

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedFeb 9, 2009 at 10:04 pm

Typical 100 lb Spectra is awful thin, and does not hold a knot very well in my experience. And knots like a guy rope sliding hitch or taut-line hitch – forget it!

Cheers

PostedFeb 9, 2009 at 10:16 pm

Ah. That is one minor inconvenience. What knot is best for use on tarps?(permanent ones)

cheers

J B BPL Member
PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 2:35 am

Thread hijack: I'm having some meters of paracord in my first-aid kit. Would you recommend me replacing that with Spectra cord? If yes, what type? My feeling is it should at least be able to support my weight.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 2:38 am

> What knot is best for use on tarps?(permanent ones)
That depends very much on the string.
But a double overhand knot often works well, when others don't, even with very thin slippery spectra.

Cheers

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 2:40 am

> I'm having some meters of paracord in my first-aid kit. Would you recommend me replacing that with Spectra cord?

Impossible to answer because you haven't defined what the cord is meant to be used for.
By and large though, I would say no, because of the difficulties in holding Spectra. The 0.5 mm 150 lb stuff can cut a finger off!

cheers

J B BPL Member
PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 2:41 am

Thanks Roger, interesting. Let's say I want to pull someone out of a crevasse (hypothetically of course). Also, what about constructing a simple shelter frame.

PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 6:04 am

Evan,
Something else to consider with Spectra is it's small size.

If you do manage to get knots in it very nimble finger nails are needed to get them out. If it's cold and the fingers slow down, it becomes more of an issue.

Another issue is tangling. A 10' 'bird nest' can take an interminably long time to straighten out.

Many Spectra users pre-knot the ends of each short section with loops that allow you to feed one end through, around a grommet or tent loop, and then stake the end. No field knots required.

Brad Groves BPL Member
PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 7:53 am

Evan, few things are as simple as they seem.

To first address your weight question, I realize that the header on the Aircore 1 page says 1.1oz. However, the chart below says it weighs something like 0.004 oz/ft. At fifty feet, that's 0.2 oz, less than your z cord. The 0.2 oz seems realistic to me. I have some 100% Spectra cord at 500# test that weighs roughly 0.5oz for 50 feet.

As Roger and Greg have mentioned, knots are not fun w/Spectra cord. Best way is to tie permanent loops in the ends. If you have to tie off something like a bear bag, it's best to leave big loops in your line to give you something to grab onto. Actually, in bear-bagging w/pure Spectra line I've found it almost essential to tie in hand loops; the line is too thin and slick to hold onto well. These concerns are why you'll find some heavier Spectra-cored, sheathed cordage such as the Kelty Triptease.

Another thing to consider in selecting the cord you carry is its ultimate field strength. In other words, although a cord might be rated to take a static load at 100 pounds, it won't take that weight at a shock load. Real-world example: 500# test Spectra won't hold my 70 pound dog when she sees a squirrel. The cord is static, it has no stretch. Dynamic cord, such as paracord, she doesn't usually break because it does have some give (stretch, shock absorption).

For tarps that kind of loading probably isn't a concern. But if you might get hit by some high winds, I wouldn't count on line taking the full brunt of its rating.

John S. BPL Member
PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 9:45 am

Thought I read that adding a knot in cord immediately reduces the strength by half.

PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 10:00 am

I have some of the 100lb cord that ZPacks sells, it has a braided dacron sheath, so knots hold well.

However, it is very small in diameter. It's great for draw-cords in stuff sacks, but I would not want to be tying knots in it in the field with cold hands.

Brad Groves BPL Member
PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 11:22 am

Hey John-
Yeah, you're right. Given that I'm pretty sure you'll have at least one knot in a bit of Spectra line, you can count on the "strength" being about half of that reported at the knot. Reality is most of these lines will work fine in the vast majority of conditions, but ya never know.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 3:27 pm

> Let's say I want to pull someone out of a crevasse
Don't try it. The cord would cut into the crevasse edge or whatever rather fats, and you would not be able to hold it.
The climbing world has looked at Spectra ropes for some time – no joy, too thin and no stretch.

Other general lashing jobs? Possible imho, but rather tricky tieing off the knots.

I ended up sheathing Spectra with Dacron to get thickness and knot-ability.

Cheers

PostedFeb 10, 2009 at 3:31 pm

"The climbing world has looked at Spectra ropes for some time – no joy, too thin and no stretch."

True, but woven Spectra yarn(thread?) makes VERY strong slings. Everything in it's place.

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