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Making the case for lighter footwear

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Joe Clement BPL Member
PostedJan 29, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Who gets credit (or what is the history behind) that famous statement "a pound on your feet equals 5 on your back? Thanks.

PostedJan 29, 2009 at 6:40 pm

I find that incredibly ironic considering that the Army never seems to take weight into account at all when issuing gear. The current Infantry gear is so heavy, a soldier can no longer run even a short distance. It is also the only place where I have seen gore-tex gear that has 0 waterproofness. The current issue pack is 1950s technology at best.
It's great that Natick has discovered the benefits of using light gear, maybe it would be helpful if they actually passed this little nugget of knowledge on to the pentagon.

James Waechter BPL Member
PostedJan 29, 2009 at 8:53 pm

Well, I haven’t been able to find the source I recall about Natick Labs, but the book The Complete Walker IV (p 59) credits Hillary’s 1953 Everest expedition:

In his classic 1906 book, Camping and Woodcraft, Horace Kephart calculated the results of wearing boots just 1 pound too heavy: “In ten miles there are 21,120 average paces. At one extra pound to the pace, the boots make you lift, in a ten-mile tramp, over ten tons more foot gear.” In 1953 the successful Mount Everest expedition came to the conclusion that in terms of physical effort 1 pound on the feet is equivalent to 5 pounds on the back. A consensus of informed opinion now seems to support that assessment. Anyway, today’s trend is certainly toward lightness.

I’ll keep looking for that Natick Labs reference…

PostedJan 29, 2009 at 9:23 pm

I first saw it mentioned in fletches' walker. More recently I read in backpacker that after extensive testing a lab has reported its actually a pound on the foot equals 6.4 on the back.

James Waechter BPL Member
PostedJan 29, 2009 at 9:54 pm

The book Long-Distance Hiking by Roland Mueser credits the study to the U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine (part of Natick Labs). Of course the editor/author/GoogleBooks omits the bibliography pages from what's viewable online, so the actual title of the report is still unknown- unless you have this book.

Edit: I tried fixing the link to Google Books, but the change isn't "sticking", so I quoted it here (from p 45 of the book).

Why all the emphasis on reducing boot weight? Tests by the U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine determined that carrying 1 pound on the foot used as much energy as carrying 6 pounds in the pack. Other studies confirm these measurements and provide evidence of the heavy price in expended energy as shoes weight increases.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 1:27 am

I have searched long for the reference myself. It seems almost mythological.
If you can find it, PLEASE POST!

Cheers

Chris Townsend BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 6:23 am

"The book Long-Distance Hiking by Roland Mueser credits the study to the U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine (part of Natick Labs). Of course the editor/author/GoogleBooks omits the bibliography pages from what's viewable online, so the actual title of the report is still unknown- unless you have this book."

I have this book and the study is not listed in the bibliography!

Like Roger I've searched for a study on this and never found one and would welcome any references.

Joe Clement BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 6:34 am

I had asked this question, because a guy promoting 5# boots on another forum had mentioned that the quote was an anecdote, and not fact. When I couldn't find the source, I was sure someone here could.

Sam Haraldson BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 7:10 am

A citizen of my fair city makes a system for lightening the weight of snowboard bindings for backcountry travelers and he posed the question of the source of this information to me a month ago. I spent the better part of an hour trying to hunt down a source for that statement with frustratingly poor results.

I sent my friend the link to this forum thread regarding the source possibly being the Natick Lab. Perhaps he'll respond to me with information he's found otherwise.

I would love to get to the bottom of this because it is a statement that is made quite often with little to no regard to it's truth or fiction. Roger, write us a scientific article ; )

Tim F BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 7:16 am

In the paragraph that mentions footwear's effect on effort expended, there are no less than 5 studies mentioned, though only the Army one s specifically named. Studies are often published under the names of the researchers, without mentioning the institution they conduct the research for/at. There are several biblio entries that look like they are/ could be studies:

Bolduc, Vincent. "Backpacking: A Pilot Study of Hikers." Regional Project NEM-35. Univ. of Conn, 1973.

Crouse, Byron J., M.D., and David Josephs, M.D. "Health Care Needs of Appalachian Trail Hikers." The Journal of Family Practice (1993).

None really look promising. Someone mentioned reading it in Backpacker magazine. There are several references for articles, if you could narrow down the time frame it might help. Perhaps Mr. Mueser used an article from Backpacker that had references in it? Either way, I find it strange to specifically mention a study and not include it in the bibliography. It would be nice if the sources were directly referenced in the text.

-Tim

Joe Clement BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 7:57 am

Well, I broke down and emailed the Public Affairs Office @ Natick. It will be interesting to see if they repond. I hope I don't end up counting on you guys to send me smokes at Gitmo.

PostedJan 30, 2009 at 8:07 am

In the end I think it means the more you have on your back the more you should have on your feet. Otherwise it's pretty meaningless.

James Waechter BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 8:19 am

Quoting skinewmexico:

Well, I broke down and emailed the Public Affairs Office @ Natick. It will be interesting to see if they repond. I hope I don't end up counting on you guys to send me smokes at Gitmo.

I called the Public Affairs Office and the number was for a flower shop. That piece of the website may be a bit out of date.

Then I e-mailed the U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine. Hopefully someone will get back to one of us.

John S. BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 8:43 am

Holewijn M, et al. Physiological strain due to load carrying in heavy footwear. Eur J Appl Physiol Occup Physiol. 1992;65:129.

"…It was concluded that the mass of footwear resulted in an increase in the energy expenditure which was a factor 1.9-4.7 times greater than that of a kilogram of body mass, depending on sex and walking speed.

PostedJan 30, 2009 at 9:24 am

Energy cost of backpacking in heavy boots

Abstract
Previous studies have investigated the oxygen cost (02) of increasing boot weight during unloaded walking or running, and have shown that for each 100 g increase in weight of footwear there is a 0路7-1路0% increase in O2 In reality (except in athletic events) the use of heavy footwear is associated with load carriage, usually backpacking. We therefore investigated the effects of increasing boot weight by 5% of body weight on the 02 of backpacking a load amounting to 35% of the body-weight in five healthy young males who walked at 4路5 km/hour (0% grade) on a motor-driven treadmill. The results indicated a mean increase of 0路96% in 02 whilst backpacking for each 100thinsp;-g increase in boot weight. In contrast the oxygen cost of increasing the backpack load was only 0路15% indicating that it was 6路4 times more expensive to carry weight on the feet as compared to the back. It is concluded that the relation between boot weight and oxygen cost, previously developed for unloaded walking and running, can reasonably be extended to include heavier boots and backpacking.

John S. BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 9:44 am

Knapik JJ, et al. Soldier load carriage: historical, physiological, biomechanical, and medical aspects. Mil Med 2004 Jan;169(1):45-56.

"…Loads carried on other parts of the body result in higher energy expenditures: each kilogram added to the foot increases energy expenditure 7% to 10%; each kilogram added to the thigh increases energy expenditure 4%…"

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 12:32 pm

Hi Tom

> Energy cost of backpacking in heavy boots
Looks VERY good, but SOURCE????
Please!

Cheers

PostedJan 30, 2009 at 12:57 pm

I switched from leather hiking boots to running shoes this year.

IIRC, Roman Dial's mathematics says a reduction in pack weight of one pound will yield an increase in hiking distance of about 1 mile on an all day hike.

Switching from heavy boots to runners, my mileage went from 15 miles on a long day to 26+.

I saved roughly 2.2 pounds in my switching from boots to running shoes.

My distance increased 5 miles per pound liberated from my feet. To get that same increase, according to Roman's math, I would have to reduce my pack weight 5 pounds.

While it's not the source, this calculation I did on a napkin seems to be in line with a pound on the foot being the same as around 5 pounds in the pack.

PostedJan 30, 2009 at 1:01 pm

@Roger, Tom:
According to PubMed the source for the abstract is:

Energy cost of backpacking in heavy boots. Legg SJ, Mahanty A. Ergonomics. 1986 Mar;29(3):433-8

There's no abstract or full text available through PubMed. Ergonomics is a widely distributed journal though, owned by 616 libraries in US and CAN, according to the WorldCAT. Many research universities have it.

EDIT: this is the 'Ergonomics' published by the Ergonomics Research Society. They seem to have done a fair amount of government funded research worldwide, on fatigue, industrial and medical ergonomics, flight simulators, body armor, etc.

PostedJan 30, 2009 at 1:05 pm

Hi Roger,
I’ll give you the source and you make me that tunneltent you got and that remote stove you are designing with Tony ;-)

Just a joke although you may always make me an offer

Energy cost of backpacking in heavy boots
Authors: S. J. Legg a; A. Mahanty – This study was conducted in part fulfilment of an MSc in Human and Applied Physiology, London University 1982.
Published in: Ergonomics, Volume 29, Issue 3 March 1986 , pages 433 – 438

Follow the link below:
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Chris Townsend BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 1:18 pm

Tom, thanks for finding that. It confirms the 1 to 5 or 6 pound claims, though these appeared long before that research.

PostedJan 30, 2009 at 2:21 pm

Chris,
you're welcome. I'll still try to find the full article to get an idea of the complete test set-up.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2009 at 2:47 pm

Hi Tom

Thanks.
Tents and stoves – yeah, I would love to get into production!

Cheers

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