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Marmot: How to Differentiate: Helium EQ v Helium Not EQ

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Jerry Cagle BPL Member
PostedJan 18, 2009 at 10:03 am

I own one each of these bags, and I do not know which is the EQ. There are no markings on any of the labels that would distinguish one from the other. I phoned Marmot, and the rep said that he thought that the one with the full zip was PROBABLY the EQ. For obvious reasons, I would like to know for certain which is which… The material of each has a distinctive appearance to the warp and woof (proper terminology?).

This one is the half-zip:
Marmot Helium Half-Zip

This one is the full-zip:
Marmot Helium Full-Zip

Thanks,
Jerry (in torrid Tucson, AZ)

PostedJan 18, 2009 at 10:28 am

I do believe, keep in mind that the eq's fabric has a wpb membrane so the fabric will feel heavier and stiffer than the gossamer shell of the non-wp helium.

Jerry Cagle BPL Member
PostedJan 18, 2009 at 10:32 am

The fabric's hand does fit your description, and corresponds with Marmot's claim…
I weighed them both (why didn't I think of that sooner…!), and the one in the bottom photo is heavier by several ounces. I consider it confirmed.
Thanks!

PostedJan 18, 2009 at 10:50 am

Yes, the close grid fabric in the bottom pic looks exactly the same as my full zip EQ.

Tony Wong BPL Member
PostedJan 18, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Jerry,

I have the EQ and the photo on the bottom one looks exactly like mine.

Depending on the year of your bag, if it is a 2007 or later, the EQ had a full length zipper and the Helium "Regular" was 3/4 length.

-Tony

Jerry Cagle BPL Member
PostedJan 18, 2009 at 4:49 pm

Roger,
You are right… and so was I/me (are we…!)
Jerry

From the Oxford English Dictionary

woof 1 |woŏf|
noun
the barking sound made by a dog.
verb |wƊf| [ intrans. ]
(of a dog) bark : the dog started to woof.
• black slang say something in an ostentatious or aggressive manner but with no intention to act : King start woofing to keep folks off our case. Just woofing. Just talk.
ORIGIN early 19th cent.: imitative.
woof 2 |wʊf| |wuf| |wuːf|
noun
another term for weft .
ORIGIN Old English ōwef, a compound from the base of weave 1 ; Middle English oof later became woof by association with warp in the phrase warp and woof

From Wikipedia:
Weft
Warp and Weft (Woof)

Warp and weft in plain weaving
In weaving, weft or woof is the yarn which is drawn under and over parallel warp yarns to create a fabric. In North America, it is sometimes referred to as the "fill" or the "filling yarn", and in India, it is referred to as "baana". " Baana" word has been derived from another hindi word "bun na" or "bunai" which means making with threads or strings, as done in cane weaving and other forms of primitive weaving techniques.

The weft is a thread or yarn of spun fibre. The original fibre was wool, flax or cotton. Nowadays, many synthetic fibers are used in weaving. Because the weft does not have to be stretched in the way that the warp is, it can generally be less strong.

The weft is threaded through the warp using a shuttle. Hand looms were the original weaver's tool, with the shuttle being threaded through alternately raised warps by hand. Inventions during the 18th century spurred the Industrial Revolution, and the hand loom became the more robust spinning frame with the flying shuttle speeding up production of cloth, and then the water frame using water power to automate the weaving process. The power loom followed in the 19th century, when steam power was harnessed.

In modern usage, weft is a hairdressing term for temporary hair extensions which are glued into a person's hair.

Etymology

The words woof and weft derive ultimately from the Old English word wefan, "to weave". It has given rise to the expression "woof and warp", meaning literally a fabric (the warp being the lengthwise threads, under and over which the side to side threads—the woof—are woven). The expression is used as a metaphor for the underlying structure on which something is built.

Metaphorical use

The expression "woof and warp" (or "warp and woof") is sometimes used metaphorically as one might similarly use "fabric"; e.g., "the warp and woof of a student's life" = "the fabric of a student's life."

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