Dec 5, 2005 at 1:40 am #1217304
In a similar vein to the poncho-tarp combo…
I recently came across a web page showing how to make an old-style travelling cloak –
It struck me that this would be much easier to put on or remove as often as you like, to walk through a light shower, as a wind barrier, or to regulate your temperature, etc. Pulling on waterproof trousers and unpacking a hat and a rain shell can be awkward and takes a few minutes.
But with a hooded cloak, whip it out and sling it over, fasten it at the neck and you’re done. You could do all of that without stopping.
For windy places it would flap, and you’d need a few buttons up the front (effectively, to turn it into a poncho). On hot, still days it would be cooler than a poncho because you could leave it open at the front.
So I experimented with a bed sheet, and it really is very easy. I thought, why not double it up as a bivvy. The scots have the patent on this idea of course – they slept in their ‘great kilts’, and wore them by day.
So how about it? The modern version of the old travelling cloak? At night, simply wrap yourself up in it; and maybe add a few buttons to close it, and a head-tent/headnet.Dec 5, 2005 at 8:17 am #1346529
Go for it! Try it with some waterproof-breathable fabric. Add an insulated liner like the army surplus poncho liners. Or maybe just use a poncho liner. Publish the plans here.Dec 5, 2005 at 11:54 am #1346545
The soviets nailed it with their plasch-pilatka.
Im slowly, ever so slowly, working on a modernized production variant for ultra light backpackers. A brutal lack of sewing skills, and a multipronged attack on my finances is keeping things from happening, but the result will be great.Dec 5, 2005 at 1:22 pm #1346549
Show us. What’s a plasch-pilatka (‘butterfly’? or is my Russian wrong?)Dec 5, 2005 at 1:59 pm #1346552
Heres some pictures of the old soviet style.
My version has a similar idea, but different cut and the lighter material lends it self to more uses. But youll have to wait until I get something made before you see what Im talking about.
edit – I do not know what plasch pilatka means. My Russian is just about good enough to get me in trouble, and thats about it.Dec 5, 2005 at 2:16 pm #1346556
plasch-pilatka is Russian for ” Elvish travelling cloak for socialistic hobbits”. The Soviet military was way into Tolkien. :)
I must say it will be a backcountry fashion statement.
Seriously, if you can make it do all the things you say you want it to, at a decent weight and with less wind-flapping than the typical poncho variant—kudos. Epic might be an interesting fabric to execute it in.Dec 5, 2005 at 2:18 pm #1346557
@kdesignLocale: Mythical State of Jefferson
sorry–that last post was not meant to be “anonymous”.Dec 5, 2005 at 2:19 pm #1346558
Show us. What’s a plasch-pilatka (‘butterfly’? or is my Russian wrong?)Dec 5, 2005 at 3:51 pm #1346563
Vick, did you somehow refresh your browser an hour after posting, or did I not answer your question appropriatly?Dec 5, 2005 at 4:21 pm #1346567
re-posted. have no idea hhhooowwww how how that happened happened.Jan 7, 2006 at 6:08 pm #1348089
james w glennMember
I am a big fan of wool for survival and comfort in the outdoors, but my filson cruiser jacket is not light weight gear. the soft shell jacket i got for xmas seems to function comparably to a wool shirt, though i havent gotten soaked and then steemed it dry with body heat yet.. the cloak and kilt which are traditionaly made of wool, seem like they would dry slower from body heat because of the open construction. Im not sure wich modern fabrics would be better (lighter? dryer?warmer?) than wool for these applications.Jan 9, 2006 at 11:37 am #1348176
Im not entirely sure what your asking here…
Wool is still viable in the backcountry. Ask Smartwool or Ibex.
Heavy wool garments are great for their role, but they dont fit for ultralight backpacking. However, things like cloaks dont NEED to be made of heavy wool. Depending on the cut of the material, a functional cloak can be made with 1.1oz silnylon, like many of the ponchos available on the market now.
As for kilts, theres no rule saying they must be made of 8yards of 14oz worsted. Kilts have been made of everything from heavy wool, to hard canvas, to Poly-Viscose fabric, to Epic Cotton, to thin Nylon Sateen, even leather. Granted, these arnt exactly traditional materials, but properly cut kilts can be made this way, each with their own drawbacks and benefits.
One benefit of NOT wearing heavy wool is that modern outdoor fabrics are often non absorbant and quick drying. Imagine the calories needed to “steam dry” a wool coat. Calories more effectivly put to use in moving forward.Jan 27, 2006 at 5:33 am #1349411
With yours ideas, i created my new tarp/hiker Cloak with a 9×6 inchs 1.1 silnylon (total 7.5oz)
I’m very quiet with no hood on my tarp in hard rain and my Cloak (poncho) is very efficient and comfortable (with my pertex quantum windshirt) during the hike.
Thanks for ideas!!!
PeyoJan 27, 2006 at 11:39 am #1349427
So you have ties for the hood located what, 15 centimeters from the edge? I gotta try this.Jan 27, 2006 at 12:16 pm #1349433
@butukiLocale: Kanto Plain, Japan
What a great and simple idea, Pierre. I looked at your site and was able to understand about half of the French, but not enough to understand the details well. I tried your method out using my SilTarp and it works really well.
I’m curious, how do you keep the hood cord from sliding up on the slippery silnylon and choking you? When I tried it the cord rode quite tightly at my throat after a while.
And what do you do to close the front of the cape in heavy wind? Do you rely on your Pertex windshirt to keep you dry?
What I like about your idea is that you can control how you wear the cape… even throw it back and leave your front exposed.Jan 28, 2006 at 8:53 am #1349472
Your idea is brilliant!
I’m bookmarking it for future use.
Here’s a google-translated link
“So you have ties for the hood located what, 15 centimeters from the edge? I gotta try this.”
That’s the cool-thing, there are no ‘ties for the hood’, he loops a little cord over the top to snug it around his neck (kind of how they used to use clasps), which also serves to keep the front of the poncho closedJan 30, 2006 at 7:09 pm #1349594
@skysapprLocale: South East
What were the dimensions for your cloak. It looked like you said 9 x 6 inches most likely not quite right in translation. Is it actually 9 ft x 6 ft. Looks like a sweet setup definetly worth checking out.Jan 30, 2006 at 8:16 pm #1349609
Here’s the original cloak:
I plan to try this with a cloak/tarp arrangement. But I think the coolest thing would be to make it with W/B fabric.
I’m 6’2″ and can wear a 5X8.5 foot tarp, and I think 6X8.5 would work. However, if you experiment, you will find larger tarps dragging the ground in the back, even worn ofer a pack. You could velcro up the corners.
I also suspect that some kind of ties on the inside to tie in front of the ‘hood’ would be necessary to keep it from slipping around (silnylon being slick stuff).Jan 30, 2006 at 9:00 pm #1349616
@bfornshellLocale: Southern Texas
Try this with couple yards of Cuben fiber, look at my Cuben Poncho/Tarp, and you will have a really light set-up. You could double the material and fold and connect the side some way so you could slide into it and make a bivy of sorts out of it.
A couple of years ago on another site a small group of us played with the idea of making a Great Kilt. It would turn into our sleep system at night. During the day it would fold into a kilt and if it rained the extra back part would pull up and cover our head sort of like your cloak idea. Mine would have sleeves for Down baffles as a down garment or Down sleep system.
There is no end to the different uses these things can take. The problem is keeping the weight low.
The type of material needed was not available easy to us back then. Mine was heavy so was never used.
I am remaking some of my old ideas now using Cuben fiber.Feb 2, 2006 at 9:50 pm #1349803
@skysapprLocale: South East
Bill, understanding that you are the all knowing on the cuben front. I was once again at the cuben fiber website and still don’t see anything definitive about product description, price weight etc. A bunch of photos of sails but not much definition.
What am I missing?Feb 2, 2006 at 11:47 pm #1349808
@bfornshellLocale: Southern Texas
If you look at the “Make Gear” part of this forum you will find that I have several projects that use the word Cuben in the subject line. If you look through the thread for Cuben-Amigo water filter you will find the answers you are looking for.
If you then take a little time and look over the other projects with “Cuben” in the subject line you may get other questions answered.Feb 23, 2007 at 2:00 am #1379752
@serogaLocale: West Ural
In it it will be inconvenient to go on a wood.
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