“Cobalt” Beer Bottle Stove

Dan,

Thanks for the info on your wicking material. I figured it was different.

Well, once again, nice work on an interesting stove. Please keep us informed about it. Do you plan to market it?

Tony,

I suspect that the right parallel windscreen could work pretty well, but the informal tests you ran don't support that. But as you note- more testing needs to be done. Also, with the CC apparently more of the heat is channeled to the pot and not lost up the sides like it would be with a parallel screen. I suppose if you had the parallel screen wrapped snugly around the pot it wouldn't lose much heat, but it would be tippy. Of course then you could widen out the bottom of that windscreen into a cone to make it more stable and…;-)
Never mind.

-Mark

Hi Mark, yes I’ll be marketting the stove via Ebay and my website.

Bill had a good suggestion to mark the inside of the stove so you could see a maximum fuel level line to prevent over filling. So I went about the task today.

The bottle has printing on it that has the word beer inside the fuel area. Look at the photo to see the letter that I refer to.

1 ounce of fuel comes up to the letter “R”

2 ounces of fuel comes up to the letter “E”

2.5 ounces (Max fuel) comes up to the scribbed line that goes all the way around the stove.

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Looks like a Whitebox/ MBD Bios to me.

If you are the same Zelph that had a problem with the bios design I find it very odd that you would make one yourself.

First if you want to see the original that was invented by me not Elf, then go to http://www.minibulldesign.com and look at the BIOS#2.1 I have been selling the BIOS#2 for a few years now and finally gave the design to the public in a youtube video. I don't mind someone copying it and making a crude attempt at selling it but i would like to get credit for the original idea. I tried the internal wick idea but it doesn't work in very cold weather,so I went to the tried and reliable external bonded wick which I also invented. I have sold 200 in the last six months and many more on my previous store front and never had anyone complain or even mention the wick shedding fiber. Not trying to cause any trouble ,just trying to —-keep it real

The original BIOS#2 from Tinny of MiniBullDesign

yes I'll be marketting the stove via Ebay and my website.

Bill had a good suggestion to mark the inside of the stove so you could see a maximum fuel level line to prevent over filling. So I went about the task today.

The bottle has printing on it that has the word beer inside the fuel area. Look at the photo to see the letter that I refer to.

1 ounce of fuel comes up to the letter "R"

2 ounces of fuel comes up to the letter "E"

2.5 ounces (Max fuel) comes up to the scribbed line that goes all the way around the stove.

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Hi there John Austin,

Pop can stoves look alike.

Tealite stoves look alike.

Wedding tin favor stoves look alike.

Aluminum beer bottle stoves look alike.

They are just containers that have holes in them. All of them are just a little bit different.

Welcome to the world of Stovies!!!!!

Thanks for finally giving the design to the public in a youtube video. You released that video the day after I announced on my website that I had created a beer bottle stove blank. You knew it would only be a matter of time before I would share the how to information with the youtube community. Your first video was on Nov.30 and the second was on Dec.1 My thread was created on Nov. 29 As soon as you saw it on my website you fell all over yourself to get a video out. =) You gave your design to the public and now they are free to do with it as they please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82VZ5-No5k On utube Nov.30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIVRCLdmz20&NR=1 on utube Dec.1st

My Budlyte thread on bplite.com Nov.29 "The Budlyte Stove" http://www.bplite.com/viewtopic.php?…p=11925#p11925

Dan and John,

I appreciate stove design.
I appreciate innovation.
I acknowledge the need for attribution.
I recognize variations on a theme.

I don't need a bunch of finger-pointing, name calling, "I said" "You said" BS.
Take your last shots, One apiece, if you must.
And then I would appreciate it if you would take it out of here.

Thanks.

I second Greg's comments….

Do what you have to do, but don't do it here. PLEASE.

Hi Greg, thanks for your kind words. You can see who it was that came in here and took over this thread.

All is well!!!

Some interesting news has become available.

It was Mr. Cope that invented the die that Tinny uses to form the bios one piece beer bottle blank.. Bill Mallowe gives credit to where credit is due as he has stated the it was Mr. Cope that designed the die to "Cope Roll" the edge of his 2 piece stove. Mr.Cope took the cope roll to it's extreme and voila!!! a die is created to roll the bottle inward all the way to the bottom. Tinny should give credit where credit is due, not say that he invented it.

Thank You Mr. Cope!!!!

My friend Robert Wright designed the dies that I use. Thank You Robert!!!

Tinny was the first to use the bottle blanks and now I'm the second. Go figure!!!

I designed the "Cobalt"(tm) that is fast blooming and has the ignition wick(tm) and also the inner max fuel guage.

I have a vested interest in this stove design and will soon be offered on my website and also on Ebay.

Advancements in stove technology go forward, not remain stagnant. Something Ventured, Something Gained.

Dan let me clear up a few misnomers in your last post. First off Mr Cope did make the die to roll the edge but it was Tinny's idea to roll it over and he told Cope what he needed and Cope made it just like your Robert Wright guy. The whole idea to roll the wall completely over was Tinny's idea and that was pretty inventive on Tinny's part to be able to look at a product and improve it so much, at least I think so. The first stoves Tinny built, the original Bios that is no longer being manufactured, were made with just a lip rolled over just like my White Box Stove is today.

Using a die, perhaps a completely different die and perhaps from a completely different machinist, to roll the wall all the way down was not Mr Copes idea. It was Tinny who went one step further and took the roll to it's extreme and voila started to roll the wall down completely. Mr Cope had nothing to do with the idea of having the wall being completely rolled down. That was entirely Tinny's idea to go the next step and we all need to thank Tinny for that improvement.

Hope that clears the air on who first thought of rolling the walls all the way down.

So do you plan on selling your stove with the "Wright Wall" like I do my "Cope Roll"?

Yes, just like the "cope roll" good thought Bill.

The Wright Wall is larger by 1/8 inch to eliminate the overheating problem Tinny had with his design. The fiberglass within the wall really makes short work of bloom time, on average 10 seconds at room temp of 70 degrees. Garage tested at 30 degrees it blooms in 30 seconds. Yours and mine don't need the fiberglass priming wick wrapped around the outside. The fiberglass wicking has lots of little prickly fibers that come off onto your hands. Care should be taken when using stoves that require that type of jump start.

Thanks Bill for the additional info on Mr Cope and Tinny.

Dan,

I have a BPL 550 cup and a Heineken pot and have yet find a satisfactory stove to use with them. I am looking for very narrow flame thrower to direct the fire to the center of these pots. I have several 5.5 ounce V-8 stoves but the diameter of the flame pattern on these is not much smaller than a regular soda can stove. I have your fancy feast, or at least i bought one from you but I can't find it. Can you come with something or suggest a narrow semi-pressurized stove similar to a soda can stove for these pots. Thank and best regards,

John

Hi John, send me your address in a pm and I'll send you the "Cobalt" for Heineken pots, no charge. You can test it out and see how it performs under the 550. I'm into a project right now of beefing up my inventories of the Cobalt, Fancee Feest and StarLyte for placement on ebay.

I may even make some Ring Of Fire available.

I did a little side by side test of the “Cobalt” and the WBS to show the difference in bloom time. The shorter the bloom time, the more efficient the stove.

It was 8 degrees in my green house this morning, an ideal temperature to test the stoves. I used denatured alcohol and was easy to see the flames come out the jets when the stoves began to bloom. One ounce of fuel per stove.

The “Cobalt” bloomed in 1 min and 30 seconds.

The WBS bloomed in 2 min and 45 seconds.

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Here is what the die looks like that forms the stove body.

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Here’s what the press looks like that was used to compress the stove body.

Turn the handle and the ram pushes the blank upward to the top of the press to be compressed.

The die works sweet and so does the press. Every blank turns out perfect.

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Cool! What is the die made of?

The die is made of tool steel. You could probably make one out of wood(maple would be my choice)

Burn times for different amount of fuel.

HEET in the yellow bottle was used as the fuel.

A pot of cold tap water was placed on stove as soon as it was ready to receive it. The greater amount of fuel used increases the time required to preheat the stove before being able to put the pot on.

There is a noticeable difference in preheat time beginning with the use of 1-1/2 ounce of fuel.

1/2 ounce of fuel burns for 5 min. 45 sec.

1 ounce of fuel burns for 9 min. 45 sec.

1-1/2 ounce of fuel burns for 12 min. 45 sec.

2 ounce of fuel burns for 16 min.

2-1/2 ounce of fuel burns for 20 min. 15 sec
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I have a vested interest in this design and thought I’d share some updated statistics.

The body of the stove is 1 inch high and the stainless steel pot stand brings the total height to 2 inches. The base of the stove is 2.25 inches and the pot support diameter is 1.75 inches in diameter.It weighs 1 ounce.

It lights instantly and blooms in 5 seconds. No priming necessary. It is “top” jetted to keep the flames concentrated in a narrow pattern to facilitate the use of the popular Heineken pots. The stove also works well with 3 inch diameter mugs and pots.

I’ve been able to get consistant results using the Heineken pot under ideal conditions.

Two cups of water boiled on average of 8 min and 15 seconds. I used 3/4 ounce of HEET for my testing. Average length of burn time was 9 min. and 30 sec.

Here are a few photos to show the flame pattern under a Heineken pot.

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Here are some photos and a video of the new “Cobalt Blue Solo” alcohol stove. I used the Heiny pot and an aluminum 3″ diameter imusa type mug for the demos. Top jetted, puts the heat right where everyone wanted it for small pots and mugs. Fuel capacity is 1.5 ounces. Flame is not affected by cold pots being placed on stove.

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I had a few people ask about availability of this stove so I made up a few and listed them on Ebay. Search "alcohol stove"

The simmer ring used in conjunction with iso91 is proving to be very interesting for those interested in using it as fuel.