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Winter Sleeping System for Youth

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Brian Barnes BPL Member
PostedNov 17, 2008 at 4:40 pm

I’m looking for some advice on a winter sleeping bag for my son (11 years old, 4’9”, 95#). Here are the details of the trip/conditions/gear:

Location: High elevation crosscountry ski trip in the Colorado backcountry in early March. Sleeping on snow in a 2 man dome tent (with bath tub floor) shared with another boy scout. No bivy.

Expected temps: The average lows are reported to be between 0 to 10 degrees (F). Record lows are -15 F. I would like for the bag to keep him comfortable down to zero (for this and other winter trips)

Sleeping pad system (the combination of the following):
Full length closed-cell pad (5/8 inch thick, R=2.6)
Full length evazote pad (3/8 inch thick, =1.42)
Montbell 90 inflatable pad (1 inch thick, r=??)
Montbell inflatable pillow (not sure if this will make his head cold since its 4" of inflated air?)

Clothing:
Dedicated for sleeping only: Mid weight fleece pant and shirt, 2 layers of merino wool socks
Other clothing to be worn: Fleece mitts and balaclava. Can add a Patagonia Micro Puff if needed.

He currently owns a Montbell #2 UL SS bag which will not be sufficient for these temps. He can get the bag down to the mid 20’s F (in the above clothing) so I’d consider him a normal sleeper. He takes good care of his gear so I’m willing to spend some money on a quality bag that will last him a while and keep him warm. I’d also like to keep the weight below 50 ounces (~3#) to keep his pack light. I want him to have a regular size bag so he can keep his day time clothes and shoes at the bottom of the bag and be able to use the bag as he grows.

Here are the options I’m considering:
1) Montbell UL SS # 0 (0*F rating, ??” loft, weighs 49oz, cost $410)
2) Golite Adrenaline (0*F rating, 6-7” loft, weighs 44oz, cost $300 – on sale)
3) Using a Golite Ultra (20*F rating, 4-5”loft, weighs 19oz, cost $180 – on sale) inside his Montbell UL SS # 2 (28oz, 5” loft) for an approximated total of 7-8”of loft on top of him and 47 ounces of total weight.

Which option would you suggest, or do you have an alternative suggestion? Thanks!

Brian Barnes BPL Member
PostedNov 18, 2008 at 4:21 pm

Does anyone with older kids take them out in the winter? What do they use to stay warm at night? Is layering sleeping bags a bad idea? (e.g. option 3 above) I'm really curious as to what's worked for your kids/young scouts…

John G BPL Member
PostedNov 19, 2008 at 4:33 pm

Wearing a 200 wt fleece jacket & 100 wt fleece long johns inside their 20 deg sythetic bag added about 5 degrees F of extra comfort for my kids (8 & 10) and wife. Adding a 150 wt fleece blanket inside the bag added 10 degrees F of extra comfort for them. Draping a 35 degree quilt over two of them when they were both in their bags added 20 degrees of extra comfort. Adding a third body under rthe quilt (squished into a 2 man tent) added 35 degrees of extra comfort – to the point everyone had to shed their extra insulating clothes and unzip their bags. Even though the tent was mesh on the top 1/2 of the inner tent (SD Meteor light).

Joe Clement BPL Member
PostedNov 19, 2008 at 4:45 pm

I like the Golite Ultra idea, but then I want to try one for myself. Too bad you can't rent. You might check Geartrade, I saw a couple of 0 bags on there at really good prices. And I think I'd lose the inflatable pad, just to save weight.

PostedNov 20, 2008 at 8:39 am

Closed cell pad (Ford uses a Z-Lite pad, full size.) and a 20* bag. He also takes a fleece hat and liner gloves to wear along with thermals for bed.
If it goes any colder than 25* I usually bring a lightweight fleece blanket to toss over both of us, which leaves us toasty warm.

PostedNov 20, 2008 at 8:41 am

Forgot to say – if it gets really, really cold? Then his pad with a Prolite pad on top and a much warmer bag. We have 0* down bags to use, but don't normally carry unless really needed.

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