SUL water

http://www.buydehydratedwater.com

Ashley:

Let me know if you want some of that shipped to Australia. :)

Darren,

During a 4 day trek in the Guadalupe Wilderness in west Texas I, like you, had to carry all my water for the trip. 10 liter. I am using a SMD Essences Pack which I have fitted with carbon fiber rods for better load transfer. My base pack wt is about 4.5 kg so I had to haul nearly 15 kg up nearly 1000 meters of elevation gain. So much for UL I thought, but then it occurred to me that my old (pre UL) backpacking base weighed was close to 18 kg without the water, so I was actually 3 kg lighter than I would have been even with the water. That thought didn't make the load any lighter, but I felt better about it.

I think even SUL advocates can't get around the water issue if they have to carry it, then they need a pack that can take the load or some how do without. And doing without might be dangerous in some situations.

-Happy Trails,
Mark

> Let me know if you want some of that shipped to Australia.

Thanks Ben! However I'm planning on saving some money by making my own. Saucepan on a stove-top works a treat! You need to make sure you don't "over do it" though… if you dehydrate it too much it can actually disappear! You should be aware there's also a trade-off… I find that you need quite a lot of water to rehydrate the dehydrated liquid. Still, it saves me having to carry the full load of water in my pack, as I can just rehydrate it when I arrive in camp. ;-)

Ashley
There is another option if you are travelling with a friend. Yo could carry oxegen and they could carry hydrogen. They would have to be a good friend though as they will have to carry twice as much.
Darren

Hope you and your friend don't get separated!

When I have to carry that kind of water, I just break down and drag out the old Kelty 50th Anniversary.

I take the Hydrogen, as long as I can do so in gas form. In my Dirigible.

I am afraid that this is one of the problems with ultralightweight hiking. You just have to suck it up and carry the water. The idea behind lightweight hiking though is that you carry as little as you need, which can allow you to go faster, so you can then carry less. I hiked the PCT late in a dry year and there was alot of folks night hiked so they didnt have to carry as much water. unfortunately I had to carry 9 liters on one stretch (it got me 44 dry miles), but there was not really an option excep to grin and bear it or go thirsty.

-will

could something like this work?

some kind of belt with holsters (think cowboys!!) where you could have two water containers (Platypus?)(one on each side) hanging down from your waist. drink from these first.

made out of cordura or backpack fabric, the weight of the belt/containers wouldn't be as much as a heavier pack.

hey, you could even use straps to tie them to your legs like the cowboys do? !! :)

sandy in miami

I think the ultimate solution is going to be something like a "closed" system. You drink, then your bladder passes the water out to a purifier — which renders it ready to be re-used again. Fanciful? Perhaps. But even if a 100% closed system isn't feasible, something similar could still go a very long way to minimizing the need for an external water source — esp. on an excursion of limited days. Imagine if you only have to "top up" a few ounces of water a day — rather than gulping down multiple liters.

I wouldn't be surprised if the technology shows up in the military first — then spread to civilian use.

Ben
A considerable amount of fluid is lost through your skin. This is evident by the change in the concentration of your urine. I have friends who work in mines in Queensland that are issued colour charts to manage there level of hydration for that reason. I think the amount of potable fluid reclaimed would have to be substantially supplemented but in a survival situation it could part of a system.
This is one of the things you have to deal with when you live on the driest continent on earth. It seams my initial suspicions were correct. When I need to carry water ill just use a pack suited for the job and as Mark pointed out at least the rest of my weight is low. One other benefit is by the time your near the end you have a dramatic weight reduction from when you started.
As far as trying to push it on the amount of water used I have tried that and for me there’s nothing worse than waking up in the middle of the night due to thirst. My bushwalking is more about enjoying being out there than distance travelled so ill just lug it when I have to
Thanks for the input??
Darren

>some kind of belt with holsters (think cowboys!!) where you could have two water containers (Platypus?)(one on each side) hanging down from your waist. drink from these first.

made out of cordura or backpack fabric, the weight of the belt/containers wouldn't be as much as a heavier pack.

anyone tried this? 2L MSR hydration bladders on each leg look like the gear for the job.

I remember Glen van Peski used a water belt on a PCT hike a couple years ago:

http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/Photos_Sub_3_2006_2.html

Basically a nylon sleeve you can toss a bladder in. Here’s a photo of the water belt. Looks like a workable idea.

-Mark

> You drink, then your bladder passes the water out to a purifier — which renders it ready to be re-used again. Fanciful? Perhaps.

DUNE, Frank Herbert
Heel pump

Cheers

> some kind of belt with holsters

Try it – you'll hate it. They bang around and get in the way.

Cheers

"You drink, then your bladder passes the water out to a purifier — which renders it ready to be re-used again. Fanciful? Perhaps."

Roger, check out last month's news story on Dean Kamen, the inventor of the Segway scooter, as featured on the Colbert Report. He has invented a blender sized apparatus that can "remove the water from a fifty gallon drum of urine." (But where you could get one of those drums is beyond me.) Anyway, it's based on the principle of vapor compression distillation. Probably not SUL, however.

If I remember correctly the suits captured both urine and perspiration and filtered it back into drinking water. Very cool idea.

Kath and I just got back from a 10 day trip to Andalucia last night where we trekked on some hot days. We carried a 2l platy between us and never went thirsty. I did find myself fishing for water down an overgrown gulch with a pan and cordage at 10.30pm one night though. I carry a 2oz pre-mac military water filter.

Strategies include using local knowledge to mark on maps where water sources are, walking at night when the moon is bright, and getting into the shade for a couple of hours in the afternoon.

Roger,

I see that it nudged 25C (75F) in Tarifa over the last couple of weeks. I hope you remembered your pith helmets or panamas. ;^)

You Brits look after the cold and wet, and leave the hot and dry to the Colonials!

Rod

(Maybe I should have changed my avatar before I posted this)

Heh. I had my trusty pure wool italian trilby and Kath had the baseball cap she found on sardinia in may.

When we got back to blighty, I stepped off the plane into a brisk cold wind laden with drops of rain and thought:

"There's been a terrible mistake, we shouldn't have been on this flight"

I try to "tanker-up" before going on a hike (any hike, not just dry ones). Basically I consume as much water as I can comfortably drink in the couple hours before I depart. I do similar at water sources along the route as well. The effect will only last you for a few hours to a half day max, but it could be up to a liter you don't have to carry on your back.

Folks who deliberately desert hike often travel at night, and many will cache water along the way in advance where possible. If that isn't an option, the extra miles of a side hike to a known water source could be worthwhile.

Further, should you choose to budget your water on the lean side, you can always compensate by planning bailout routes. Route planning is necessarily and inseparably tied to water sources in dry environs.

Beyond that, the definition of UL and SUL here specifically exclude food, water, and other consumables. But by going SUL, you can carry that much more water. There are some good suggestions above for alternate carry devices.

Now in regard to that "closed" system (yuk) – I think that reverse osmosis could probably achieve the desired result now, but the system needed is neither light nor small, and you will never have anywhere near 100% capture because of perspiration losses.

> you will never have anywhere near 100% capture because of perspiration losses.

Tell that to the Dune Freemen with their still-suits.

Cheers

I thought that's why people bought VBL suits.

Don't you just pour the water out of the VBL sock into the top of your gravity filter? Better yet, use the sock as a top bag.

Rod