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Unorthrodox — But Will It Still Work?

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EndoftheTrail BPL Member
PostedJul 31, 2008 at 3:56 pm

We’re supposed to apply sunblock 30 minutes prior to sun exposure, and bug repellant afterwards when we arrive at the trail. I know the theory behind this and it makes perfect sense.

Still, I’m thinking of pre-mixing appropriate amounts of the two above prior to each trip. Has anyone experimented this way — to save space, weight, time and ease of use?

Maybe the ideal is to apply separately, but I’d still be interested if pre-mixing works “well enough”. Anyone tried and lived to tell the tale and would recommend it?

Finally, I am aware of sunblock/bug repellant combos on the market but they invariably come in low dosage (e.g. only 20% DEET and only 15 SPF) — so I wonder if I can get more potent stuff separately and then mixing them myself.

PostedJul 31, 2008 at 5:14 pm

You could always get some micronized titanium dioxide and just mix it in to your favourite insect repellant. That way YOU control the SPF.

PostedJul 31, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Hi Allison,
How will you know when you have reached, say, SPF 30? Or 45?
Is there a known relationship between a given percentage(by weight?) of titanium dioxide in a lotion and its corresponding SPF rating?

PostedJul 31, 2008 at 6:05 pm

On a percentage basis, each 1% (w/v) of titanium dioxide will add an SPF of 3-5. So a 10% concoction (ie 10 grams titanium in 100mls bug stuff) should get you SPF 30-50. It must be either emulsified in the lotion, or shaken vigourously just before use to ensure even application.

PostedJul 31, 2008 at 6:22 pm

I don't like the idea of applying deet when all I need is sunblock. I use much more sunblock in the High Sierra than bug repellent. Just bring the 1 oz size of deet.

EndoftheTrail BPL Member
PostedJul 31, 2008 at 6:41 pm

For me, the sun block lasts as long as my current 100% DEET — I usually apply both two times a day.

Problem with 100% DEET is that I still get bitten by evil black flies! Thus, the thinking out loud about switching to the repellant linked in my first post — but hoping somehow to avoid bringing and using two separate bottles/containers of lotions.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedJul 31, 2008 at 10:32 pm

On another thread someone mentioned that citronella was what repelled black flies, not DEET. Dunno, myself.

EndoftheTrail BPL Member
PostedJul 31, 2008 at 10:49 pm

Hi Roger:

You are correct. Even 100% DEET doesn't do much to protect against flies. The Ultrathon repellant I linked up above supposedly will.

PostedAug 1, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Ben,
I'd be a little skeptical about Ultrathon protecting against Black Flies or Deer Flies; Its active ingredient is DEET at a 34.34% concentration. Maybe it has a secret, unlisted ingredient?? ;)

EndoftheTrail BPL Member
PostedAug 1, 2008 at 4:59 pm

Tom:

The 3M Ultrathon label clearly states: "Also repels biting flies, chiggers, deer flies, fleas and stable flies"!

I mean, companies wouldn't lie to us, right? Unless there are rogue, unstable flies out there…

PostedAug 1, 2008 at 5:30 pm

Everything is unstable, Ben. Entropy rules. And I'll bet that's exactly how their lawyers would defend the label in court. "Your honor, my client makes no claim as to the efficacy of his product for repelling unstable flies…". :)

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