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  • #1435569
    Jason Brinkman
    BPL Member

    @jbrinkmanboi

    Locale: Idaho

    I got an email from SPOT today for a Father's Day promotion offering 6 months of free tracking with the purchase of a SPOT. I look forward to this technology being implemented in a reliable way for the peace of mind that it will give my wife, but after showing her this article she's convinced that it's not there yet.

    I look forward to a true 'convergence' device someday. One with high end recreational GPS capabilities, a reliable satelite messaging service, maybe a GMRS/FMRS radio, altimeter/barometer, etc.

    As a baseline, I am very happy with:

    * the GPS capabilities of my Garmin Vista HCx
    * the altimeter/barometer functionality of my Suunto Core
    * the range of the latest consumer radios I have used
    * the Iridium sat phone that I rented last fall

    I think you absolutely need to switch the SPOT service to a duplex satellite channel and provide "message received" acknowledgment, but you need not waste your time until the Globalstar satellite constellation is replaced – it has become highly unreliable for satellite phone service.

    #1435573
    Mitchell Keil
    Member

    @mitchellkeil

    Locale: Deep in the OC

    Jason:
    Please elaborate on your experience with renting the Iridium phone: Cost, effectiveness, and overall performance. I have been thinking that I would do so for my next Sierra trip and then make a decision on whether to purchase.

    #1435581
    Dave T
    Member

    @davet

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    #1435594
    Jason Brinkman
    BPL Member

    @jbrinkmanboi

    Locale: Idaho

    I rented the Iridium phone through Mobal. I found them through an internet search and took a chance on them. I was very pleased. They shipped the phone and all necessary accessories in a hard case via Fed Ex. It came exactly when they said it would. All necessary instructions were included on a laminated crib sheet, and operation was straightforward. Returning the until was just as easy, with instructions provided. Cost was $9 per day plus $1.99 a minute for airtime. I believe they have prepurchase minutes for less if you plan to use it more than a few brief times.

    I made a few quick calls to check in. The service was flawless despite the fact that I was in a rugged mountainous area. It took less than a minute from turning the unit on until it acquired the network, and then calls went right through. The phone has a service indicator with signal strength bars like a cell phone. I simply pointed it around the sky until I optimized the signal (didn't take much looking). I left the phone on for a couple hours on two different occasions to see if coverage was consistent, and it was – I never lost coverage.

    Now if only the SPOT was that reliable!

    By contrast, we had a Globalstar phone along on a 7-day 220-mile rafting trip last week through the central Idaho wilderness. We knew it would be unreliable from prior experience (a fellow boater owns it), but it turned out to be even worse than we expected. Despite several attempts on multiple days, we were only ever able to get service for one brief 20 minute window on one day. Not much comfort to our wives!

    #1435611
    Mitchell Keil
    Member

    @mitchellkeil

    Locale: Deep in the OC

    Jason:
    Much appreciated comments and a referral to the rental site. I may go ahead and rent the irridium for my trips into the Sierra. I certainly will not bring the SPOT and I am going to show this whole thread to my wife and then ebay the SPOT. Anyone interested in a slightly used SPOT?

    #1435990
    Guthrie Abbott
    Member

    @guffabbott

    Locale: Southeast U.S.

    I must disagree with the many reviewers who have basically trashed the utility of this device. For my style of group hiking and canoeing, it suits my needs better than any other device on the market.

    I have owned a SPOT Tracker since just before Christmas, and I have used it in the field several times. My only complaint about the device is that a lower percentage of messages get through than I would like. As covered in detail in the review, when SPOT says you need an unimpeded view of the sky — THEY MEAN IT. During a three-day trek in the Virgin Falls Pocket Wilderness (De Rossett, TN), only a small fraction of the "OK" tracking messages got through (I would estimate approximately the same 16% or so that the reviewers experienced). The terrain varied from mountainous, to tree cover, to canyon – with very little clear sky. The SPOT obviously had some trouble with this type of terrain – the very type of terrain I seek when I go hiking. I carried the SPOT on a lanyard around my neck; perhaps affixing it to my shoulder strap (as recommended by SPOT) would have improved the percentage a bit. I will say that EVERY TIME I have sent an OK message with the SPOT face up from a very open place (no trees, cliff walls, etc.) — the message has gone through.

    Whether a backpacker (or other adventurer) finds this device useful or not depends on his style. I, myself, do not embark upon any solo adventures; I always have two to four friends or family members with me. If I did trek solo through the bush, I would carry a satellite phone or a PLB.

    The SPOT works for my group trips because I believe it extremely unlikely that all of us would be incapacitated simultaneously. Therefore, should someone in the party become too injured for us to remove, an uninjured hiker can simply take the SPOT to a very open clearing, place the SPOT face-up, activate it, and let it do its thing. I always use the "Tracking" feature while I am moving (hiking, canoeing). Again, while imperfect, it DOES get through enough to give a SAR team a good idea of where you have been.

    For my style of group hiking and canoeing, I would much rather have the SPOT than a PLB. The additional one-way communication features (Tracking, OK message, Send Help message, as well as 911 message) work as advertised and, to me, are well worth the yearly fee. My wife LOVES being able to track my progress on the internet (I even leave the tracking feature on when I'm driving to and from the trail). Her peace of mind alone is worth the price of the SPOT and the yearly fee. The different "levels" of help one can request are another welcome addition.

    As for the reviewers who have complained about the GLOBALSTAR telephone communications — this is a known issue — and affects DUPLEX (two-way) communication only, not the SPOT, which uses SIMPLEX (one-way) communication. I suspect the unreliability of the duplex communications is the reason the SPOT has chosen simplex communication – and does not have some of the handy features we SPOT owners would like (confirmation of transmission, text messaging, etc.). Perhaps when the new GLOBALSTAR constellation is up, a new version of the SPOT will have some of these nifty features.

    Until that time, I must say that the SPOT – even with its limitations – suits my style of adventuring far more than a PLB or any other device currently on the market. Although I would love to have one of the highly reliable satellite phones, I simply could not justify the cost, given the limited number of days per year that I can go hiking. The SPOT fits the bill for me.

    #1436183
    Barry Foster
    BPL Member

    @bazzer

    Locale: Redding

    You have gone to a lot of time and trouble to test the Spot, but your tests were not done in a lab and are largely based upon observations. The problem with this is that the globalstar satellite system is better at certain times than others. Somewhere on the Spot website there is a current chart showing the best and worst times to use it. So if your testing was not done with a know signal source how and you say the Polar Diagram for the receiver is better with the unit tilted at 90 degrees or worst? As I have posted before mine works once in a while and other times not at all even with a totally clear view of the sky.
    I take mine with me because it's better than nothing at all. But a cell phone is still a better bet in most places.

    #1436184
    Wade Nelson
    Member

    @wnelson

    I have sent nearly 150 SPOT messages with 100% success. Most of those were sent from the field, the forests, mountains and canyons Arizona. While I have been critical of the Progress Tracking feature aka SPOT Casting, because I thought it was just too much to ask of a small, handheld unit, it worked flawlessly on a recent trip from Phoenix to Los Angeles and back. The unit was mounted to my dashboard with velcro and was 100% successful.

    There are some things that I think could be improved but for the most part the unit works very well for me. And I do not think that it is too much to ask to plan your non-emergency messages at open areas or high points with clear views of the sky. If you give the unit a stationary resting place, a reasonably clear view of the sky and a little time, the message will go through successfully. Remember that this little unit has to communicate with not one but two satellite systems to work.

    So what if you are hurt or need to send a message when you don't have a decent view of the sky, well then you might be SOL but you would have the same problem with a PLB.

    Come on folks, there is no magic bullet. There is no perfect communications device for the wilderness traveler. Even the military has trouble getting their signals out sometimes. It is the nature of the beast. But the SPOT, based on my own experience, is pretty darn good. It has increased my margin of safety greatly.

    By the way, the Globalstar sat phone problems are unrelated to the SPOT system. They run off of separate antennas.

    You can read about a number of my SPOT accounts on my site.

    Wade Nelson
    http://www.HardcoreOutdoor.com

    #1436185
    Barry Foster
    BPL Member

    @bazzer

    Locale: Redding

    You are totally right about the Globalstar Network being the problem, if you check on the spot website you will find a chart showing when the system is good and when it's not. If that's not a admission of a problem then I don't know what is. This was the same situation with GPS in the eighties. Of course it will be eventually fixed, but don't expect spot to be reliable until it is.

    Baz

    #1436230
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Hi Barry

    > but your tests were not done in a lab and are largely based upon observations.
    Have you actually read the review?
    Much of the testing described in the Appendix was done using my laboratory facilities. As a Government research scientist of 27 years and then a consultant research scientist of 12 years, I am sufficiently confident of my facilities.

    > Somewhere on the Spot website there is a current chart showing the best and worst times to use it.
    Which is of course a huge lot of use when you are out for a week or more without the Internet… Or are we only allowed to call for help at certain hours?

    > mine works once in a while and other times not at all even with a totally clear view of the sky
    Well, we are agreed on this anyhow.

    As for the comment that the tests are 'largely based on observation' – that process is called 'evidence-based science'.

    Cheers

    #1436238
    Ron Bell / MLD
    BPL Member

    @mountainlaureldesigns

    Locale: USA

    Can o' Worms Alert…



    I commend BPL on this type of in depth review.

    I think this it the single most important gear review on BPL to date- just ahead of the MSR Reactor review.

    By design the review did not debate the question of Why or Why Not carry any commo device. That would be a whole other article.

    Interestingly, I have not seen many posts so far on BPL – on any threads over the years- that take the position that carrying any type of commo device can lessen the experience.

    Having worked in SAR- including carrying out the bodies- I understand and support the position that everyone should make personal choices on whether to carry commo or not.

    I can't say now exactly when I would or would not- but before I was a dad it would have been no way every time.

    Anyone feel commo diminishes the experience? When Yes, When No, Why?

    #1436246
    Michael Martin
    BPL Member

    @mikemartin

    Locale: North Idaho

    Hi Ron-

    IMO, the promise of non-intrusive 1 way communication is one of SPOT's best features. Calling home on a cell or sat phone undoubtedly diminishes the wilderness experience for me.

    Pushing the "Ok" button on SPOT has little impact on my experience, while providing some measure of comfort to the rest of my family back home.

    Cheers,

    -Mike

    #1436248
    Barry Foster
    BPL Member

    @bazzer

    Locale: Redding

    "evidence based science" Geez mate, your being a bit pc aren't you?
    So in order to check the receiver sensitivity am I right that you dismantled a unit to get before any AGC? You have made no comment on the availability of the Globalstar Network and why it affects the unit.
    Roger, I have no doubt of your technical abilities, your reports are thorough, but not everyone has to agree with them. Besides which NASA, which if I am correct is a government based agency screwed up twice with mixing up metric and imperial systems, once on the Mars Lander and the other on the Hubble.
    I take mine with me at least three days a week since I purchased in November of last year. Today over a four hour period not one, again, not one tracking message got through to my Spot message page. But I still carry it just in case. I will not subscribe next year to Spot unless it shows a lot of improvement.
    Oh yes, of course I read your review, but I don't see any mention of the lab set up.

    Lets make this a issue, you work is well appreciated.
    Barry

    #1436282
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Me, PC????
    Horrors! (Outrage!)

    Was it NASA which actually screwed up the imperial/metric units? As far as I can remember, I think it was a private contractor. Big difference – I don't think!

    To address another part of your comment: there is only so much room in a Product Review. As it was, we had to put the tech stuff in an Appendix – the first time we have done this.

    Anyhow, thanks for the compliments. Appreciated.

    Enjoy

    #1436375
    Dale Gear
    Member

    @desertwalker

    Locale: Texas

    Based on my experience with Globalstar satellite phone service for one frustrating year, I would not recommend any device dependent on that unreliable system.

    I have been in the middle of the desert with "a perfect view of the entire sky" – NO SIGNAL. I have been on top of mountains with "a perfect view of the entire sky" – NO SIGNAL. I have been in the middle of large pastures with "a perfect view of the entire sky" – no signal.

    I was intrigued by the SPOT until I saw the word Globalstar. NO THANKS!

    #1436429
    Kristen Greenaway
    Member

    @kiwibird

    Locale: North Carolina

    I've just started to post on BPL after 18 months of sitting in the wings, and I'll probably never be allowed to again, but a question to those who are having real problems getting SPOT signals out. Are you sure you're using the unit correctly? I ask because the first month I used it, I wasn't, and my messages weren't getting through. No Kiwi likes to read the instructions first on any new gizmo, but when I did read them, and re-read again, exactly how long to push each button for and in what sequence, and learn tricks like you can't have tracking on at the same time as sending an OK message, my success rate shot up to near 100%.

    Apologies for any slight I may have caused.

    Kristen

    #1436496
    Alan Dixon
    Spectator

    @alandixon

    Locale: Mid-Atlantic

    The Backpacking Light staff was using the unit correctly.

    Long before we started formal testing, we read the instructions numerous times, discussed our experiences with the unit, and corresponded with the SPOT on our initial findings. We then spent pre-review time in the lab and field making sure we fully understood the SPOT's operation and its quirks before doing the field and lab testing that is reported in the review.

    I would hazard to say that the BPL review team understood the SPOT's real life operation better than many, possibly most, of the SPOT's staff.

    -Alan

    #1436600
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Hi Kristen

    > I've just started to post on BPL after 18 months of sitting in the wings, and I'll probably never be allowed to again,
    Ah well, we'll make an exception for you …
    On second thoughts, we won't. An exception would be to bar you, and we only do that to shoe spammers.
    You're welcome.

    Otherwise, as Alan said.
    Cheers

    #1437096
    Terry Wilson
    Member

    @wilsontw

    I actually had no trouble activating the unit or using the website. The SPOT has met my expectations. It transmitted every ok message on an April trip in the Grand Canyon including one from my campsite at Bright Angel campground under partial trees near the canyon wall. I had added a number of friends to the email list for ok messages and they really enjoyed following my progress.

    I struggled with the PLB vs. SPOT purchase decision and ultimately decided to go with the SPOT – for now at least. I think a future generation of PLB, SPOT or Garmin unit will make all of the current options look poor.

    Some of the concerns mentioned – such as email being blocked by SPAM blockers are so easy to overcome. All you have to do is send a test ok message. If you don't get the message, check the SPAM blocker. None of the people in my email notification list have had any messages blocked. The phone messages have also all been delivered.

    I did my research prior to buying SPOT and realized it was not a perfect device. For me as a solo hiker, the ok message was the primary expected use for giving my family a little feedback that I was ok. In numerous uses, I have had good results. Of course I can't guarantee it will help me when I need it most. I might not even be conscious to turn it on. Of course a PLB or Satellite phone is also hard to use when unconscious.

    Technology progress is never as quick as we want and I have confidence that everyone who buys a PLB, SPOT or satellite phone will collectively keep the progress happening.

    #1437287
    Roger Howe
    BPL Member

    @rogerhhowe

    Congratulations and thank you for the detail review, testing and cautions of relying on a SPOT. I've enjoyed trying to run down the first set of AA lithiums since February. The batteries are supposed to work for up to two weeks! Really, two weeks of being on! Although my personal testing has revealed two of the weaknesses of the Spot, but hey, compared to not having any cell signal and not carrying an expensive PLB and or a satellite phone it is a blast to use! First the weaknesses. Number one, the difficulty in holding a GPS signal while running, hiking, biking and skiing, and number two the frequent tracking messages not making the weblog. To be out on a trek and get one of the ok messages texted to my cell phone in route or returning from the mountain is a kick. Then, logging on at the end of the trip and finding the tracking log has picked up a bunch of my trip points convinces me that although it has many weaknesses, I can see that in a dire emergency there is a great chance that I could get a Help or 911 message out.

    The three hints that have helped my experience with the Spot are #1-Place the Spot device on your pack strap with the top pointing down so it approximates the right angle with the sky, #2-You cannot track your position at the same 20 minute time you are trying to send an ok message. Simply hold the ok button down till the green light stays lit, then let it track. When wanting to send the ok, just turn it off, then turn on and give it about 2 minutes, then push ok once. Nearly all the ok messages sent in this manner have made it. If you leave it for the 20 minutes it is almost certainly to be sent, but I usually remain moving as I'm usually anxious to get moving at the beginning, during, and at the end of any adventure when I want to send the ok. Finally #3 hint is forget the lousy Global Star telephone service, it really is not the same as the messaging service. The Global Star reception is extremely poor and spotty, but the one-way messaging is purported to be 99% successful.

    I do hope the future will give us better devices that do GPS reception as good as my Garmin 60 csx and also does satellite messaging with more reliablity. Till then I'm satisfied with the functionality and results as they are.

    #1437409
    Andy Miller
    Member

    @andym

    I agree with a lot of the suggestions for improvements made in the review – especially about the lack of confirmation that the unit has successfully established its position and that a message has been sent (oh and did you mention the screws on the back?). But I don't want a tracking device – I have a GPS that does that perfectly well – what I want is something I can use to call help when there is no mobile coverage – and from what my own experience with the OK messages the SPOT is well capable of performing that function.

    #1439559
    Peter Glaskowsky
    BPL Member

    @pglaskowsky

    I did my own hands-on review of SPOT on CNET in January ( http://news.cnet.com/8301-13512_3-9839898-23.html ) and got similar results– imperfect operation even with a clear sky, and very poor reliability under any kind of cover.

    I also made a set of recommendations, and I hope the SPOT people pay attention to both yours and mine. SPOT could become a very valuable and popular product, but it isn't there yet.

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    #1439650
    Mitchell Keil
    Member

    @mitchellkeil

    Locale: Deep in the OC

    Thank you Thank You Thank You, Jason!!
    I called up Mobal.com and arranged for an Iridium Sat Phone for a trip in the Jenny Lakes Wilderness from June 20-22. The phone was delivered by Fedex on the 19th with clear and explicit instruction for operation. The phone arrived fully charged in an aluminum travel case with an extra battery, leather case, car charger, Iridium instruction book and a laminated card with all instructions for operation in any mode. The phone was the latest generation and in spotless condition. Weight as carried on my trip = 10.5oz

    I used it with flawless reliability each day in the late PM to call my wife. Spent probably 1 minute each time to let her know how my day had been and that I was safe. The papable sense of relief in her voice was evident. What ever the cost, this alone was worth it!

    I just mailed it back this morning at a Fedex drop off store and the return postage was already paid for.

    Total cost for all of this including the call time $36.00

    I will never look back. I am sold on Sat Phone rental!!!!

    Anyone want to buy a SPOT and about 9 months of my service time left……

    #1439687
    Chad Schuller
    Spectator

    @ckschuller

    Locale: In a cube...thinking about trails.

    love the review!
    thanks for taking the time to backup your results with great writing, data points, and graphs.
    i'm a newer (M), but i'm looking forward to more reviews like this.

    #1445629
    kristin hostetter
    Member

    @khostetter

    Hey folks,

    check out this link for the latest on our SPOT coverage…

    http://backpacker.com/blogs/273

    Kristin
    Backpacker magazine

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