Topic

TarpTent Sublight

  • This topic is empty.
Viewing 25 posts - 1 through 25 (of 32 total)
PostedMay 11, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Please note just how close to the ground this Sublite prototype by Tarptent is pitched . The pitch reduced the ventilation during this mid-April trip to the Southern Sierra cutting off any significant circulation. The earth was very soft requiring the tent pegs be driven level to the ground to remain upright. Reducing the ventilation also allowed a pretty good test of the limits of Tyvek’s breathability. There was no noticeable condensation on either night.
Tyvk1
I have been testing a slightly smaller Tyvek Contrail since last fall and the latest roomier model, the Sublite, discussed in another thread, is a side-entry design that provides easy access and exit. In my continued testing I have yet to experience any noticeable condensation even with the Contrail version pitched in an open meadow last February. The tent walls were dry in the early morning but objects inside the tent including my sleeping bag were wet with condensation. There was no moisture dripping from the ceiling during the night and I have no explanation for it.

The Tyvek is a slightly heavier grade than that used in safety clothing. The seam sealing process utilizes glue that will allow the fabric to retain its flexibility. Although not recommended because it dries stiff, Elmer’s Glue will work as a field repair for leaks. This Sublite prototype weighs approximately 17 ozs, and, as already mentioned, has more room than an ordinary Contrail.

A change in my normal nighttime behavior illustrates the side entry convenience. I have for some time used a bottle to obviate leaving the tent at night, but this side entry model allows me to effortlessly roll out with much less fuss than fumbling with a bottle.
Tyvk2
The mesh that connects the canopy to the bathtub floor completely surrounds the circumference of the tent with the closure below the tent door. The production model will use a zipper connection to form a complete seal of the mesh. There is also an adjustment just in from the pole holster along with the familiar Tarptent adjustments at each end to allow a taut pitch on the bathtub floor.

The tent can be pitched allowing for 360º of ventilation but, as pointed out, can be nailed right to the ground so that venting is cut-off. In fact I have urged Henry to manufacture a completely enclosed tent without mesh but he has ignored that request. The material behaves somewhat similar to ToddTex fabric used in Bibler tents with the inside surface being slightly textured which I believe absorbs moisture and expels it.

The tent material is the big news for me. It weighs less than Sil and is considerably less expensive. After the initial release, Henry plans to ramp up production as demand dictates. The introduction of the Sublite will allow us ultra-lighters to have practically everything we desire in a shelter: a lightweight, breathable, waterproof, inexpensive fabric that provides protection.

As a lightweight backpacker, I have a personal interest in the success of the Sublite. This tent answers my need for a small footprint, lightweight, SINGLE-WALL tent that will allow me a night of sheltered sleeping without being rained on by my own condensation. I am hoping that the success of the Sublite will spawn a whole line of excellent lightweight inexpensive tents. Not only would these tents be highly functional, but will provide a shelter that can affordably be replaced when the seduction of new designs lures me back to the marketplace.

I would like to see a fully enclosed 4-season version for cold breezy nights. Both prototypes mentioned above have been tested in the rain. I have given them the garden hose test and pitched the Contrail version in a storm last February and it remained completely dry inside. Henry recently had the Sublite pitched overnight in rain and reported that the inside was dry in the morning. Another very positive characteristic of Tyvek is the lack of sag or dip as experienced with Sil-nylon with cooler, damp evening air. Once pitched in a taut fashion, Tyvek remains tight.

In spite of the testing, Tarptent will most likely not recommend this Tyvek line of tents for regions that experience regular periods of prolonged rain. For climes that experience storms of limited duration in three-season use such as the Sierras and Southwest, it will be highly recommended. I urge anyone who wants a lightweight, breathable shelter to snatch this tent up as soon as it becomes available. Special attention should be given to the new Sublite by prospective through-hikers this summer. If you are a PCTer you are most likely are already on the trail but if you are gearing up for the John Muir Trail you should really consider taking the Sublite as your shelter this summer.

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 12:19 am

Nice report John.
Trying to work out how that Tyvek is lighter than silnylon gives me a sore head, but indeed it is 1.25 oz per yard.
Good comment about the fuzzy stuff, now it makes sense to me how it "breathes" and doesn't drip. ( I have a Bibler)
Sounds like the ideal UL tent for most of Australia, better sun protection (afternoon nap) and it hardly ever rains.
Franco

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 8:00 am

So do I Franco, an I-Tent, which is almost too short for me at not quite 5’10.” But I carried it for many years never experiencing condensation even in wet weather. Your comment about the “afternoon nap” shows some prescience or experience regarding Tyvek for it is much cooler than Sil-nylon. As you know Sil heats up very efficiently, so for the “afternoon siesta” this would be much better.

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Great review. I've got one question is the length of the tent really only 86in, as I saw reported on another site (please say no…) If it is true, I am guessing that this is not a shelter for those of us much bigger than 6'? It seems like the GG "the one" and the SMD wild oasis suffers the same problem.

So does cutting the length really cut that much weight? I'd like something cheaper and simpler than the contrail, but I don't want to give up the length.

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Yes, floor is 86" long but it's all useable (and 2" longer than most of our other shelters) as the floor is inset from all the perimeter canopy. It will certainly fit a "long" sleeping bag with no problem.

-H

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 3:51 pm

"For climes that experience storms of limited duration in three-season use such as the Sierras and Southwest, it will be highly recommended. I urge anyone who wants a lightweight, breathable shelter to snatch this tent up as soon as it becomes available."

I have used my Epic BD Firstlight in the Rockies and I think this shelter would work there as well.

What do you think the long term life of this shelter is? IS it the Bic lighter of tents or do you think multiple years of use?

Thanks

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 4:37 pm

2'' longer than most of the other tarptents? I was going off of the website where the shelters are all listed as 94''+. And while I'm sure that a long sleeping bag will ideally fit, I tend to move/slide around a couple of inches.

I realize that you have an impossible position here. If you make it longer, a bunch of people will complain that it is too "heavy" at least compared to the other guy who cut things a little shorter. But if you make it shorter, you get a small minority of people that have a tougher time with fitting in. Its just the idea of by the time my feet feel wet in my sleeping bag, its probably too late.

I'm sure that the production costs/logistics make it impossible, but yet I would still like to see a day where these tight tents are made in a regular and tall.

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 4:39 pm

John can share his own thoughts but in my testing over the last year or so, I'm confident that the material should last multiple years provided you care for it. All the stress points are reinforced but it's not something you want to give to your 3-year-old child and expect it to survive for too long. Same can be said for just about any ultralight fabric, especially the really pricey stuff currently in vogue ;-) I'm also not ready to recommend it for a thruhike just yet but it will handle stuffing/rolling and wind stress without a problem. I have about 3 weeks (20 nights) on an earlier prototype and it's not showing any wear, for what that's worth.

A great thing about the fabric is that it's very easy to do your own repairs and fix any tears or punctures, not to mention the ease of seam-sealing. We'll ship the Sublite with scrap fabric and some glue and patching the fabric literally takes a few seconds. Even Elmer's Glue works but dries stiff and it's better to use a more flexible glue (included).

-H

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 4:48 pm

>2'' longer than most of the other tarptents? I was going off of the website where the shelters are all listed as 94''+.

Yes, the shelters do list an outside length (which is longer than the floor; all floors are inset from the driplines).

> …. I would still like to see a day where these tight tents are made in a regular and tall.

I hear you though, honestly, I don't think length is really concern here. Height, if you're well over 6 feet, is a bigger issue though our 6'3" employee can sit inside the Sublite and not (just) touch the ceiling.

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 5:07 pm

Thanks for the clarification on the lengths. I like the flat foot end, it helps for extended foot sizes

Any reason why you can't pitch it a bit taller by extending the poles out, and extending the guy lines?

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Yes, it will go higher than the default (135 cm poles). The strap connectors to the pole handles lengthen to suit pole length. I've had mine at 145 cm length and peak height goes up another 2-3". It will also pitch with an overhead connection to a tree branch (but you'll need two extra stakes to where the trekking poles contact the ground).

-H

PostedMay 12, 2008 at 5:33 pm

First, the length is a factor I have given no consideration to until raised above by Dave. I have had a few tents where this has been an issue even with my medium height. However, as Henry point out, the length is all usable space due to the sharp pitch up front and the boxed foot.

As far as durability goes, this stuff is wear resistant. On a lark, many years ago, I bought a box of Tyvek pants and I wore the original pair pulled from the box for many years giving them heavy use during winter hiking trips in the GCNP. They have withstood heavy abrasion at the cuff and lower legs as well as in the crouch but I have continued to wear them until recently when they shredded walking off-trail through brush.

I don’t think many of you drag your tent through brush and durability won’t be a problem. It will last as long as you want it to. My remark concerning “replacement” was directed to cost and not durability. This tent will give us characteristics of some of the most super-expensive lightweight tents but will not break the bank with the purchase. We will have money left over to buy the newest design if we are snagged by the lure.

Roleigh Martin BPL Member
PostedMay 12, 2008 at 9:09 pm

When is it expected for the Sublight to be available for orders? Do you think anyone could order and receive one prior to July 10, 2008?

PostedMay 13, 2008 at 10:03 am

The Tyvek version will be out in June and up on the site for ordering in a few weeks. Not sure yet on timing for the silnylon version–more venting at head and foot and a couple of ounces heavier–but aiming for late June on that one.

-H

PostedMay 14, 2008 at 9:43 am

The main design problem I see is that the Sublite's entrance exposes the floor to rain when opened. I had this problem on my Jansport 2-man dome tent in the '70s and really learned to dislike it.

For me that's a problem that could be overcome by making that side of the tent vertical and adding a small "eyebrow" with a thin plastic rod stiffener over the entrance.

Howsomever this still leaves one without a "vestibule" for cooking in rainy weather as I have in my Contrail but ya can't have it all in a mimimalist shelter.

Eric
P.S. Congrats on trying something new.

PostedMay 14, 2008 at 11:03 am

The silnylon version has a drip-free entrance option–think Rainbow/Double Rainbow rain curtain. No way to make the Sublite side vertical (without losing stability and cutting off an unacceptable amount of interior space) but the angle is already pretty steep–55 degrees–and since the floor is inset 6" from the canopy edge at the entrance exposure is limited. Everything is a tradeoff, for sure.

-H

EndoftheTrail BPL Member
PostedMay 14, 2008 at 11:10 am

I really like the fact that folks like Henry, Glen, Ron, etc. have come up with niche products that serve to broaden the selection for everyone. There are already plenty of feature-rich but heavier tents — and it's just good to have something like the Sublite that does a lot — but not everything — for almost no weight!

The Sublite is not for everyone. Why not evaluate it for what it's designed for — rather than evaluating it for what it is not?

PostedMay 14, 2008 at 4:03 pm

I think its great that these guys are willing to get on the boards and give direct feedback. I also agree with you that its great to have a couple of shelters available that are just enough, and no more. And really, the weight differences between the Sublights of the world vs the Contrails of the world are not huge (compare these relative weights to those of other traditional 1 person tents, 8oz difference is nothing). So it just comes down to a few less connivence features vs a little bit of weight.

So can anybody else tell that I am trying to talk myself into one of these?

PostedMay 14, 2008 at 4:46 pm

Dave, I see absolutely no conflict between the Sublite and the Contrail. You get the Sublite for when you want to go lean and mean and have a good laugh at those guys that spend half an hour fiddling with their tarps, and you use the Contrail for when you suspect you could spend a day inside so that you have a vestibule to keep your entrance protected and cook under it if Yogi is not around and you have the right stove.
Franco

Ross Bleakney BPL Member
PostedMay 14, 2008 at 5:32 pm

I like the design of this tent because it adds most of the headroom by the head. I find this preferable to tents like “The One” and the “Refuge (X)” which peak in the middle of the body (while laying down). That is a personal preference thing, as there are those who like to sit up without scooting.

I also find it fascinating that we are getting more fabric options as we are getting more design options. Not to say we didn’t always have design options, but when this review came out, you can see that the state of the art was very similar (both in design and in material).

Now, there are a bunch of different designs, but the biggest difference I’ve noticed is that many are designed with the pole (or poles) by your head, while others have the pole in the middle.

Similarly, now we see 4 different material choices: Silnylon, Spinnaker, Cuben and Tyvek. If I’m not mistaken, we also have a couple options for netting; regular or nano-seeum. Since the makers can (and should) mix and match, you have the possibility of many combinations. For example, the Refuge X has Cuben for its walls, but its floor is Silnylon. With all these combinations of design and material, it is great for the consumer, but also a tiny bit frustrating, as there may be a design and material combination that simply isn’t made (or won’t be made for a while).

PostedMay 14, 2008 at 5:55 pm

Franco – I agree with you, that there is no conflict between the SL and the Contrail, the niches are close but not identical, and agree with your assessment. Now I just have to get my wallet to agree.

PostedMay 14, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Franco, I didn't think you had Yogis in OZ! I bet the SubLite would be ideal for you guys since it never rains where you are anyway.

PostedMay 14, 2008 at 7:45 pm

Dave, I was watching a TV programme from England the other day about food wastage. Apparently almost 1/3rd of the food purchased there gets binned. Basically people buy more than they can eat. According to those figures if similar savings ( by buying according to need) can be applied to the US, you would have enough money to buy at least 20 Tarptents….

Allison
We have perfected the art of dehydrating water over here.
It is also a little know factoid that the sound of the didgeridoo (is that part of my base weight ?) keeps the bears away.
However they can be found inside most pubs. (didgeridoo free areas)
Franco
BTW you Kiwis, we sent the possums over there, how about sending some water ?
Please don't reply to this crap otherwise Roger will spank all of us.

PostedMay 14, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Franco, we don't even have winter anymore !!!
I'm still waiting for two cold days in a row, let alone a week of rain.

I've been drooling over the Contrail for some time now but waiting until I get to travel again. Hooray for the Sublite which is exactly (it seems) what I want.

I'm more of a fair weather camper and only for short bursts while overseas somewhere. On my last trip and my next trip I may stay at a campground, may do a hike for a day or two and may just camp in the bush somewhere (Yogi free zones!). The most minimal light tent is all I want to carry around as I use a large day pack and include basic camping gear.

The Sublite seems like it could be an important item in my (never ending quest for my) dream gearlist !

Viewing 25 posts - 1 through 25 (of 32 total)
Loading...