Aug 21, 2005 at 11:02 am #1216656
Anybody have input about what to do when you need to hang a food bag but the trees around you are too thin-limbed to do the trick? Also, I noticed another thread about bear bags: do you really need a special bag? I just use a nylong stuff sack and the thinnest rope possible- it has never failed (and I camp in bear central up here in Ontario). Also, it seems like the common technique is to balance the bag with another bag, but we just tie it to the tree. Which way is really best? TTFNAug 21, 2005 at 11:09 am #1340660
@pjLocale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
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(just click it to view the BackpackingLight.com article)Aug 21, 2005 at 11:26 am #1340662
OK, i didn’t see this article – thank you! This looks good. I don’t quite get the PCT method, but let me read it again… until then- what about the issue of skimpy trees? Anything to be done about that?Aug 21, 2005 at 12:41 pm #1340664
@david_bonnLocale: North Cascades
If the skimpy trees are sufficiently tall and reasonably close (15 or 20 feet), why don’t you toss your cord over a branch on each tree and suspend your food between the two trees? This usually needs more than the standard fifty feet of bear cord, though.
Some other tricks:
For tossing the rope, I keep one end tied with an overhand loop. I wrap a smallish rock in my bandana and tie off the bandana with a big overhand knot — the whole package looks like a bandana dumbbell, with one end the knot and the other end the rock. Then I girth-hitch the rope with the loop to the thinner part between the bandana knot and the rock. This stays together nicely for the toss, but if the bandana becomes hung up you can usually jiggle the rope free and let the bandana and rock fall to the ground.
A (much) cheaper alternative to mini-biners: most hardware stores stock small steel snap-links for less than a dollar. Even the smallest ones test to eighty or ninety pounds.
For counterbalancing or a two-tree hang, use a short loop with a prussik knot to attach one of the bags, you can then slide the prussik up the hanging rope as far as you desire before final launch.
For several years, I used a nalgene lexan bottle with about a cup of water in it as the tossing weight. Never broke a bottle, never lost one either. But I don’t carry a nalgene bottle anymore and the bandana scheme is simpler — and bandanas are way cheaper than Nalgene bottles.Aug 21, 2005 at 1:09 pm #1340666
@kennyhel77Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Not much help in the Sierras. Actually illegal in some parts. You don’t know how many camp sites I come across with torn rope, string etc. dangling from trees. Hmm wonder how that happened.Aug 21, 2005 at 4:50 pm #1340675
@david_bonnLocale: North Cascades
Actually, if rope is still dangling from a tree, what probably happened was that the cord got hung up (all too common) and the poor hiker tried to recover as much of the bear cord as possible. If a bear chewed through the string there wouldn’t be any cord left dangling, and probably wouldn’t unless the bear jumped out of the tree and grabbed the food on the ride down. Possible, but there are probably simpler explanations.
Where I live bears are not yet that clever, so hanging food is okay.
It certainly is true that only approved canisters and bear boxes are allowed in much of the Sierra.
I haven’t hiked in the Sierras since the mid-1990s. But I took several extended trips (up to six weeks) in the early Clinton years. I rarely saw people hang food with any degree of competence (putting food in your backpack and hanging it by the haul loop from a tree branch that is chest-high isn’t proper). My own food was fine, and nicely hung via the counterbalance method.
I have heard a handful of first-hand reports from people I trust and who I know to be competent at hanging food that some bears in some parts of the Sierras can often recover food hung from a tree. This is still quite amazing to me, since there was so much poorly stored food I can’t understand why the bears needed to figure out how to get at the properly stored food. Maybe just the principle of the thing. Or maybe all of the bears went to CalTech and worked for .com companies in the late 1990s?Aug 22, 2005 at 5:50 am #1340702
Well, the two tree thing didn’t occur to me… that’s a great idea if I’ve got enough rope to do it. I guess I’ll experiment.
Bears can be pretty tricky sometimes. You should see the set up they have at the group sites at one of our national parks here in Ontario: they have a whole line of metal ropes with locking cords, pulley systems etc. The bears have destroyed some of the ‘bear boxes’ and it doesn’t take them long to determine that brute force can take care of the metal lines, or just the trees… a whole group site worth of food must drive them bonkers! A few weeks ago a guy i met on the trail had his tent torn to pieces by a bear- and all he had was a bit of granola left in a pants pocket…Aug 22, 2005 at 8:58 am #1340706
I found some BearHooks Wilderness Food Hangers at REI. These look like they would work for hanging between two trees by placing them in branches with a long stick or treking pole.Aug 22, 2005 at 5:48 pm #1340715
Those bear hooks look interesting.. but a bit pricey for what they offer. Thanks for the advice, though. I am trying to go ultralight on my finances too, you see!Oct 7, 2005 at 1:55 pm #1342545
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