Pants dilemma

What are the conditions you expect to face, and what are the extreme you want to be me prepared for (temps, length/severity of presipitation, etc).

–mark

I vote yes for rain pants.

I’ve experienced extended downpours of near-freezing rain in the San Juans, even in July. I was really glad to have rain pants.

I don’t know enough about your layering for long johns vs. soft shell pants. I don’t wear either on the trail for temps above 25F or thereabouts, so I would take whatever is needed to stay warm at night. For me, that would be long johns.

Wild Thing’s epic pants are 20% off right now and weigh in at 6oz. A very light and comfortable compromise between pertex and those suffocating rain pants.

I’ll second the motion on the Wild Things’ Epic Pants. Have ’em. Like ’em. Work great.

Thanks for the tips guys, just ordered the Epic pants, seems like a good deal. Would you trust them in a cold thunderstorm?

As to questions about layering and conditions: Could be in the 30s, wet, and windy, at worst. Layering wise, I usually hike in shorts, only putting on the pants for bugs, or when stopping in cold rain or windy drizzle.

Where are the epic pants 20% off?

sure, and even in longer duration rain than the typical thunderstorm. my only reservation with Epic is when used in a shelter for all evening-through-the-night rain. not sure if it will start to leak – at least the mfr’s disclaimer makes me think that it may leak.

Bob,

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Rich

Hmm.. hard recommendation to make. First, the question about EPIC. In a light shower you can go an hour or two and stay dry. In a really hard rain you will be soaked in 20 minutes.

If I thought it was somewhat likely for lower 30s, wind, and rain for more than an hour,I would bring a hardshell.

As to what to bring given your list… that’s hard. I would guess that your Patagonia softshell (Guide Pants?) might be a bit to warm. If they would be comfortable in the warmer temps for you, I would take them and your hardshell.

Otherwise, I would think about a light weight softshell (my first choice would most likely be Cloudveil Peak Pants). I wouldn’t go for the WildThings EPIC pants because would rather something that wicks a bit. I would bring your existing hardshell or something a bit lighter. The Peak pants will stand up to a light drizzle, and could be pretty comfortable over a reasonable wide temp range.

–mark

In the past, I have expereienced over 6 inches of snow the first week of September in the San Juans. I have also had beautiful fall weather as well. I would go with a hard shell pant, with long johns and some nylon convertables.
If only a drizzle, the nylon will dry quickly, if too wet, change to long johns and hard shell or just hard shell depending on temperature. My experience with EPIC would not allow for full downpour over any extended time, or sitting in camp / rest stop.

Mike,

I’ve worn my WT hoodless Epic windshirt in a couple of hrs of lt rain w/o it wetting through – it was new & clean at the time.

When the rain gets heavier, I wear a poncho over it, but have not had the forearms of the Epic windshirt wet through; neither have the pants which i don’t carry that often – especially if i’m using a poncho (i wonder if it’s the angle of impact of the drops on the legs?).

I wore my newer WT hooded Epic windshirt (new & clean) out from work one day to my car (nearly 1/2 mile away – it’s a big factory). Torrential downpours. Not quite, but almost like being in a shower. Impact splatters of the large drops rebounding off of the ashpalt several inches or more. Asphalt covered in a thin layer of water & running off on sloped portions of the blacktop. Rain was making a racket on the horizontal surfaces of my car when I finally got there. Also, had Epic trail cargo pants on. Since I didn’t check the weather forecast (T-storms w/heavy rain), I wore a very breathable pair of footwear that day. Everyone else is running to their cars and/or using umbrellas. I walked at a normal pace – more than 5min to walk to my car (prob more like 8-10min since it was nearly 1/2 mi away. I only walk ~3mph unless i’m in “high” gear – short, stubby legs) . The bill of my company logo cotton ballcap was thoroughly wet – even the underside from capillary action. Water started to wick up the front of the ballcap. All of the Epic (top & bottom) kept me dry. My feet were soaked.

Do you find this experience atypical? Could it be just that my gear was new & clean (no oils/sweat/dirt)? The mfr says that washing Epic & keeping it clean improves water resistance. Could this account for our diff experiences? It’s experiences like yours and Mark’s (two very experienced fellas, IMHO), & the Mfr’s disclaimer that keep me from using it as a sole shelter, e.g. BD Lightsabre, w/o having a poncho-tarp handy to pitch over it.

Mike,

Many thanks for the clarification. I guess experiences like yours are why people like Ron Bell of Mtn. Laurel Designs only use Epic for the top half of their bivy, choosing to use less breatheable but waterproof mat’l for the bottom half of the bivy.

Paul,
My EPIC experience is with my Bibler Winter Bivy, where ground moisture absorbed through and soaked my bag. The bottom part of the bivy extended beyond the poncho tarp and the exposed top was wet on the inside as well. Some of that may have been due to wicking, but I believe some was passed through as well.
I mentioned using around camp / rest area and I was referencing sitting directly on wet ground could cause moisture to come through with the added pressure of your weight.

Thanks for the detailed feedback folks! I’m taking the coated nylon and the long johns.

i got these running tights from MVP thinking i could run in them for a dollar at close out. they where way to tight, so now they are the best long underware ever. pair them with a pair of shorts, and you are set for cold weather