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Kattt BPL Member
PostedSep 6, 2015 at 10:03 am

I have studied plants and bugs ( insects + others) and since I have been doing my trail camera stuff I have been reading up and learning on a number of mammals. Birds, on the other hand…I only know a few of them. On my cameras I get a lot of wild turkeys, quail and jays, both blue and scrub. I had not read or heard anything about jays and their alarm sounds when predators come around, I just observed it first through the videos I captured and now in person. Whenever I had daytime footage of a mountain lion, or bobcat or a fox I could hear the alarm screech from a jay. (The first one I really noticed was when I got footage of a bobcat carrying a live bunny and jumping up on a tree stump with it; the jays screeched so loud I had to turn the volume down on the video) . When the camera was triggered by a deer or a rabbit or some other prey that sound was mostly not there. Then I captured a number of videos of rabbits and deer and squirrels and even a family of quail that all reacted when hearing the alarm screech from a jay; they would stop eating or walking and listen, wait and then either move on or get off the trail in the bushes. I had never even thought about this communication. While it seems unintentionally interspecies on the part of the jay, other prey definitively pay attention to it and seem to know the basic meaning of it. Just this little bit of observing has made me much more aware of how much is really going on out there, and it is but a sliver of it. I started to listen for that same alarm screech when I walk in the woods and now I hear it a lot; I always hope it's me and not an approaching big cat that they are telling each other about. Now I wonder if the same birds eventually learn that I am not a predator to them and "relax" a bit when I approach. I have been comparing different alarm screeches but I don't have a big enough sample nor the right equipment or knowledge, but it's still interesting. Is anyone here a birder that knows about jays and other sentinel birds? Any other interesting inter species communication that one could learn about and observe while out on the trail?

Stephen Barber BPL Member
PostedSep 7, 2015 at 1:04 pm

Crows and ravens – probably any member of the Corvus family – are also "sentinels".

PostedSep 7, 2015 at 4:44 pm

"probably any member of the Corvus family -" +1 To include Nutcrackers and the Jays, both members of the family Corvidae. One thing I have also wondered about is whether a member of one class can act as a sentinel for members of another class, e.g. a California Squirrel, mammalia, alerting crows, aves. And vice versa.

Kattt BPL Member
PostedSep 7, 2015 at 6:01 pm

""probably any member of the Corvus family -" +1 To include Nutcrackers and the Jays, both members of the family Corvidae. One thing I have also wondered about is whether a member of one class can act as a sentinel for members of another class, e.g. a California Squirrel, mammalia, alerting crows, aves. And vice versa." From my footage a number of mammals, and quail, all react to the Jay's alarm call. Squirrels, rabbits, deer and chipmunks perk up their ears and stiffen up at the sound. Sometimes they resume their previous activity and other times they get off the trail . That I have noticed …

PostedSep 7, 2015 at 8:12 pm

"Squirrels, rabbits, deer and chipmunks perk up their ears and stiffen up at the sound. Sometimes they resume their previous activity and other times they get off the trail . That I have noticed …" Makes a lot of sense. They are all potential prey, and paying attention to any sound that is out of the ordinary is a good way to stay alive long enough to pass on their genes. Thanks, Katharina.

d k BPL Member
PostedSep 7, 2015 at 8:20 pm

Thanks for that link, Sharon – very cool!

jscott Blocked
PostedSep 7, 2015 at 8:34 pm

I often hike alone. Jays are ALWAYS calling out warning cries as I quietly come down the trail. I just assume that I'll never see whatever animal it was ahead of me they were warning–or that they were just warning other Jays. Daniel Koordsman (hope I have that right) has an excellent book on birdsong. He distinguishes between songs and warning cries that every species has. The warning cries are obvious–although Jays don't have much of a song, as far as I can tell. Jays were prominent in Thornton Burgess kids' books, always warning other animals when a fox was approaching.

James Marco BPL Member
PostedSep 8, 2015 at 6:08 am

Many animals have warning and panic cries. Other animals do pick this up. Birds are perhaps the most prevalent.

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