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MLD Exodus FS questions

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Pete M BPL Member
PostedAug 25, 2015 at 7:10 am

Can any of you tell me more about the previous generation MLD Exodus FS packs, the ones that had both a Klymit airframe and a carbon fibre frame? How does this compare to the current UL suspension upgrade? What kind of weight could be carried comfortably in the older Exodus FS, in comparison to the current? I understand that without either the Klymit or the cf frames the pack can handle around 25lbs, if well packed. What about with the above frames? How would you say these two 'framed' versions compare to the ULA Circuit and GG Mariposa – two similarly sized packs that I'm considering? Considering for what? For situations where I need a little more capacity and load bearing than my Gorilla. My base weight is almost always below 15lbs and my total pack weight under 25lbs, but there are occasions such as winter/altitude/stretches with no resupply, when I have to carry more gear plus food and water. This takes my total load closer to 30lbs and very occasionally to 35lbs. This might be at the start of a long hike, fully laden with food and fuel etc. I do not hike long periods with such loads – if I did I'd be looking at completely different packs (in fact I'm not sure I'd want to hike at all with a normal load of 35lbs!). Such a load would be for a limited period and would decrease rapidly as the consumables get used up. But the pack would need to be comfortable for that limited period before the weight returns to below 25lbs. I have looked at many, many packs, trying to find the ideal balance of capacity, durability and flexibility, all within the sub-2lbs category. I considered the Catalyst for a while, but meanwhile my baseweight has been reducing and I think it would be too much pack for what I need most of the time. I've found that the three mentioned above seem to strike that balance quite well. I've made a concession with the Circuit – just over 2lbs but ticks all the other boxes and is so well reviewed. Of the three I know least about the Exodus and in fact this is the one that intrigues me most – having the option to use it as an UL frameless pack, as well as with one or both of the frames already mentioned. If with those frames it could manage periods with 35lbs I think it would be my pack. I really like 210d dyneema. Please can you give advice on these packs, individually or as comparison? And I'd be particularly interested to hear feedback on the FS version of the Exodus, past and present. Thanks!

Heath Pitts BPL Member
PostedAug 25, 2015 at 12:51 pm

Myles, I had the Exodus FS. Anything above 26 pounds or so was where it started being uncomfortable for me. The frame could take the weight but the hipbelt would not, unless I wanted a lot more of the weight on my shoulders. I prefer more weight on my hips than my shoulders though. I believe the only difference for the new air framed pack is the lack of a carbon rod in the new frame option.

Jim MacDiarmid BPL Member
PostedAug 25, 2015 at 3:17 pm

I'll +1 on what Heath said regarding the comfort level of the old Exodus FS, though comfort level is so subjective. To me, carrying 30lbs with the suspension was comparable to carrying 25lbs going frameless; translation: tolerable but not something I'd what to do all day. At 25lbs, with the frame, I could carry all day. Here's a picture of the suspension from the Exodus FS, circa 2012 version: Exodus FS suspesion

Pete M BPL Member
PostedAug 25, 2015 at 7:41 pm

Thanks guys, that's helpful. Seems I'm in a tricky 'no-man's land' pack-wise. Shame, I really like the Exodus for durability, size and weight. For normal use it'd be fine – but then I have my Gorilla. It's for when I need more capacity and load weight than the Gorilla can handle. The Mariposa or Circuit may be better options in that case.

PostedAug 25, 2015 at 8:04 pm

I have an MLD Prophet with the full suspension (pad – no wire frame). It handles up to 30 without any issues. Very comfy. I think the comfort comes from the slight flexibility of the suspension laterally as opossed to vertically where it is remarkably stiff. It is much more comfortable for me than the Circuit I had and at least as stiff in terms of frame. The Circuit's optional stay is almost useless, frankly. You may want to also consider Hyperlite Mountain Gear as their packs handle the volume and weight that you would probably be looking for.

Adam White BPL Member
PostedAug 25, 2015 at 10:21 pm

One more data point… I've carried up to 35 lbs in the old MLD Exodus FS. I found it comfortable up to and including 35 lbs (as comfortable as carrying 35 lbs can be, anyway). I never pushed it beyond 35 lbs, so I'm not sure where the limit would be for me. Carrying 35 lbs, to me, is a bad enough idea ;). As others have mentioned, very subjective.

PostedAug 31, 2015 at 1:06 pm

Can someone speak to the capabilities of the 2012 version (FS) & and the new version, which does not have the carbon fiber frame? Ron indicated that they were equivalent, but I was hoping for some real world experience using both packs. Are they equals? Or do you prefer one frame over the other? If so, why?

Stuart . BPL Member
PostedAug 31, 2015 at 9:38 pm

I have the Prophet with the LS upgrade, and my wife has the Exodus LS. My first frameless pack was a non-suspension Exodus and I could never get comfortable with how it carried loads around 20lb. In contrast, the LS carries beautifully. The air pad takes up minimal volume in the pack, and the pad sleeve was worth the price of the upgrade alone. It's a shame that Ron wasn't able to offer the same system on the Ark pack. Compared with the FS, I believe the LS has beefier padding on the shoulder straps and hip belt; the hip belt webbing and buckle are wider; and load lifters are standard. These all improved the pack's carrying comfort, and eliminated the need for the wire frame which was annoying to put back in the pack if removed (see Tony Hobbs' unintentionally hilarious video review of the Exodus FS where he struggles with this). Another advantage of eliminating the frame is that the pack folds up much smaller for shipping and storage, and that alone was probably reason enough for Ron to find an alternative solution.

Pete M BPL Member
PostedAug 31, 2015 at 10:52 pm

Stuart – that's interesting and helpful thanks. You say you weren't happy with how the basic Exodus handled 20lbs – how about the LS you have now? What kind of load can in handle comfortably? Seems there are a number of good reasons for going for the LS over the older FS.

Stuart . BPL Member
PostedSep 1, 2015 at 3:51 pm

Normally I carry 17-23lb in my Prophet LS, but I have loaded it up to 28lb and it carried comfortably. Above 30lb, I'm likely to be carrying more volume than the Prophet LS can handle, and I switch to a framed pack. For me, the Prophet size hits the sweet spot. The Exodus has a bit more leeway thanks to to he extra 9 litres capacity. That works for my wife because she doesn't have a dedicated backpacking wardrobe, and she tends to carry more bulk (but less weight) than I do.

PostedSep 1, 2015 at 4:00 pm

I too was quite surprised at how the Prophet LS carried 25 lbs. The pad and load lifters work really, really well.

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