Pasta pot

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How about the Evernew 1000ml?

Or Vargo 1.3L http://tinyurl.com/ok7963c

I've seen the Evernew in the flesh and it's a damn fine pot – snap fitting lid and excellent quality.

Sorry for not following up on my own thread… I lost interest in my own quest. Pots are not very exciting. But reviving it now…

The Evernew 1L pasta pot does look nice. Can someone confirm that it can fit one of either:
– 8oz canister + stove.
– Caldera cone sidewinder + starlyte + small alcohol fuel bottle.

Altenratively, how about the flatter 900ml “Evernew Mug Pot”? Do the above fit in that one? Both pots look good and I think I’ll pick one of them…

The 1L Evernew Pasta Pot (ECA522) is listed on the TD website as one of their standards, and the description does say that a gas canister will fit.  Whether or not the Caldera Cone setup “fits” usually depends upon what compromises you are willing to make.  Because TD has four different cone designs, and some are more fiddly than others:

The Classic cone lists the ECA522 as a compatible pot, but the Classic usually needs to be carried separate from the pot- it does not fit inside.

I don’t see the ECA522 listed as an option for the Sidewinder, Fissure, or Fusion cones, but I would be very surprised if it were truly impossible to make one for it.  There may be compromises in efficiency, but one should be possible, and Rand does always say to contact him to ask.  (As a practical matter he can’t list every pot in existence on the website.)  The efficiency issue is that the handles on the ECA522 come down quite low, requiring either a low cone or a large side opening.  All things considered this is a very minor issue, but if you’re OCD about such things, well, then you are.

Personally, I’d never buy a pot that can’t accommodate a Sidewinder.  I don’t like the extra assembly that the Fissure and Fusion require.

FWIW the Vargo 1.3L pot has pasta straining holes in the lid and will accommodate a Sidewinder.  It’s popular enough to be one of Rand’s standard packages.

For something smaller, the Vargo 900mL pot also has pasta straining holes and accommodates a Sidewinder.

The Evernew 0.9L ECA252 is my usual go-to pot and can use a Sidewinder, so I like that size but, no, there is no fitting a canister in that one.  (In fact fitting the standard TD 12-10 alcohol stove can be a challenge, and I recommend their option for a Zelph Starlyte instead.)  But Vargo pots do tend to run almost an ounce heavier than the equivalent Evernew pot.  I would just ask Rand about the ECA522 first, if you like that one.

Thanks, I’ll send him an email and confirm. I agree with your assessment – I also don’t want the extra fiddle factor of fissure/fusion cones, so was looking specifically for the sidewinder.

I don’t understand why these Ti posts are so popular.  They are HEAVIER than the SS pot I have:

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/jacob-bromwell-classic-stainless-steel-cup-large-32-floz~p~6701h/

This is a nice pot if you want something just under 1L.

I don’t know why stainless steel is never seriously considered. I always heard it was heavier – including in Skurka’s latest blog post – so I guess I automatically discounted it. Looking at your link, the pot looks fine to be honest, though it doesn’t appear to have a lid. Getting “accessories” like a caldera cone could be a challenge too.

Btw, Rand confirmed to me that the ECA522 pasta pot can only work with the classic cone, as the shape of the pot does not accommodate the fit-in-the-pot varieties. So still hunting for a 4oz pot which can fit either a sidewinder, or a canister. (yes, I haven’t looked very hard yet)

There is no lid.  I just made one from a pie tin, wine cork and pop rivet.  I just use a canister stove so…

The manufacturer of your 28 fl oz mug (the manufacturer calls it 32oz but that’s filled to the brim, which is why STP advertises it as a more pot-appropriate 28oz) claims a 3 oz weight.  But you’re neglecting the fact that yours lacks a lid.

You can certainly leave the lid of a ti pot behind to get it (trivially) lighter than your lidless 830mL stainless one, which is a more fair comparison.  The 900mL ECA252 is only 2.8 oz without lid, and is larger, and has a rather larger handle.  And the Toaks 900mL pot without lid is only 2.6 oz.  But, admittedly, we’re talking about very small pots where the weight differences are going to be trivial so this is all a very weak critique of your pot, which is a fine one.  The material matters much more for larger pots and is one reason that I tend to advocate for cheap aluminum pots in this smaller size range- I have a hard time justifying the absurd cost of ti pots when the difference is less than an ounce.  (Compared to your pot, that’s spending about $100 per ounce of weight loss, which is a bit steep.)  But in a much larger pot it’s more significant, especially since you can no longer make the walls so thin.

Note: Vargo pots are an exception, being built like tanks.  So, yes, they are comparatively heavy, but thick and indestructible.

It’s really not a challenge to get a light steel pot.  You just have to make the steel thin, and thin ti is (again, trivially) more durable.  But if you found one that works for you, excellent.  Your stainless mug seems exceptional.  But what you’re claiming isn’t really true, and some other people are more obsessive and like the admittedly minimal advantage that ti offers.

Greg-

The only real sticking point is finding one with pasta straining holes.  Otherwise it’s easy.  That’s not an inherent problem- just a design decision on the part of the manufacturers.  If Toaks had just placed their lid vents closer to the rim you’d be set.  Could you drill some holes in a Toaks or Evernew pot lid?

BTW, with my MYOG lid my pot weighs in at 3.0 oz by my measurement.  I had no idea that the lids for the Ti pots were so heavy.  I’ve never owned one so I couldn’t weight one myself.  ;)

In my actual use, one of the best backpacking pots in which to cook a single serving of pasta is the MSR Titan kettle.

It’s 850 ml and the lid/pour spout design works superbly for draining pasta.

I must say, I do like the MSR Titan pots, but I suspect they are little different from many other-brand Ti pots. There are only one or twwo factories (in China) making them all.

Cheers

I don’t get it, the MSR Titan Kettle is $60 and 4oz for the same 28oz capacity.  It has a nice pour spout, handle and lid.  But, is it $55 extra worth of extra nice?

The evernew .9L pot that Dean linked is short and wide making it ideal for alcohol stoves. I removed the handle from mine and it weighs 2.08oz. With sidewinder, and starlyte stove 4.02oz. The lid adds another 1oz. Using the lid, I can testify to its ability to drain pasta through the little spout. Definitely not the fastest way to drain pasta, but it works fine.

Is it worth the extra cost for ti vs the ss mug? For me it is. I like the convenience of being able to pack my whole cooking kit (minus fuel of course) into my pot. Not having the handles allows me to wrap different windscreens around it should I decide to use a different stove. Also, I can have the pot nearly full and still be able to grab it by the rim and not burn my fingers.

Roger,

Since you are the guy who reviewed the MSR Titan pot set about 10 years ago for this very site AND have used and recommended the MSR Ti pots over the years,I am a little dismayed by your comment.

NO – MSR titanium post are not made in China they are made by MSR-Seagull in Thailand. Also. Evernew,Snowpeak and Montbell To  pots are made in JAPAN.

The Chinese don’t make everything. Yet……:

Larry-

Absolutely, that’s an excellent question.  (I think I quoted $100/ounce?)  But evidently, for some it is worth it.

Ralph-

Yes, I though very hard about the 0.9L Evernew ECA252.  I wanted to stop tweaking every little thing about my kit and instead have a 90% solution for almost every contingency that I could just throw in my pack by default without thinking too much about it.  I wanted it to be a more efficient wide/shallow rather than tall/deep pot.  I didn’t want to use a pot lifter.  I wanted to have it forever i.e. durability, which also meant that I did not want a troublesome nonstick coating.  And the 0.9L capacity is generous for one yet sufficient for two, so I though it was ideal as the size for the One True Pot.  (My 8-year-old daughter hikes with me on occasion.)  Nowadays the 0.9L Toaks looks like it might be an even better alternative.

Even then, though, I didn’t buy it myself.  I had it on my Amazon wish list and it was bought for me as a gift.  (Thanks, Hon.)  My other pot is an aluminum one from Open Country.

I went through similar angst regarding the One True Shelter.

It’s an MLD DuoMid and Superlight bivy, btw.  :)