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2-person tent suggestions for PNW alpine conditions

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Carol W BPL Member
PostedAug 11, 2015 at 10:09 am

Hello. I am spending too much time reading about tents and need help from people who have hiked in Washington State in alpine areas above tree line where they are more exposed to wind, rain, fog, etc. Sometimes we camp on snow. Needs to withstand small amounts of snow on top of the tent as well since even it the summer here it can snow. We leave shoes in vestibule. Packs are left outside with pack cover on top at night. Clothes are in the tent in our pillows or in gear loft, or at the sides of us.

We currently use a single door, very snug, double walled REI tent no longer in production which weighs 5-6 pounds. We absolutely love everything about it but the weight. It is starting to fail so time to start looking for a new one. Pyramid tents are out- We do not want a pole in between us while we sleep. Makes it so we couldn't use a quilt too.

One concern I have is going so light that we need to use heavier bags. Times two people, that could negate any tent weight savings, plus make the tent not as much fun to hang out or sleep in in cold weather.

Additionally, we are peak baggers, so we often set up a base camp, and set out to do exploring and leave the tent behind. We could probably do a tent with hiking poles, and if we explore, we each just bring one hiking pole.

Prefer small foot print since many times only small sites available in alpine areas. Our current tent is 74 inches x 47 (flares to 56 at shoulders), excluding front vestibule. I love this size. Walls are steep and since double walled, we can touch the sides without getting wet. I am 5'9" and my husband is 6' and he thinks it is fine.

Tents I am considering: (as stated, NO pyramids. Prefer one from door but I am open to two doors. Must be small foot print and wind stable and good in alpine conditions of PNW)

Big Sky Soul: maybe even with part or all cuben. Probably not carbon fiber poles due to risk of breakage.
Big Sky Chinook: can purchase mesh and solid inner. But tent is heavier than Soul for same foot print.
Tarp Tent Scarp 2: Heavy, and foot print seems too big, however. Like the idea that we can purchase two inners- mesh and solid.
Tarp Tent Double Rainbow: Seems like we could do better in weight department, but it is a pretty sweet tent. I like the liner concept.
Z Packs Duplex: Weight is obviously awesome. But is it wind stable enough, and will it add any additional warmth at all?

Bottom line: small foot print, good in wind and foul weather, good at handling condensation in our sometimes damp, misty conditions, and must add some warmth and not be super drafty.

Please provide any input, especially if you personally have used any of these tents in wet, alpine environments. If you are just a below tree-line hiker, please let others give their input since we almost never camp in the trees.

Thank!

Carol

Bob Moulder BPL Member
PostedAug 11, 2015 at 12:12 pm

Carol,

I realize THIS is not on your list but it is a suggestion based upon your parameters.

It borrows (or exactly copies) the old Bibler Awahnee design (Bibler was acquired by BD years ago), and I see it as an improvement over the Bibler Eldorado which I used, and which was a larger version of the I-Tent. The wedge design is very stable in wind and can really handle a snow load. My Eldorado was absolutely buried quite a few times with no ill effects.

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Ryan Bressler BPL Member
PostedAug 11, 2015 at 12:46 pm

My wife and I are former cascade climbers and have done lots of similar trips. We have an older (yellow epic fabric version) BD first light and a big agnes seed house.

The BD (or one of the bigger new models like the above mentioned HiLite) would be my recommendation for a climbers tent. It doesn't handle hot humid conditions well but blocks the wind nicely and we've slept through some stormy nights high up in it. The poles are very thin and the wind can blow it around but you can mitigate this a bit by guying it out and choosing a somewhat sheltered spot. Some people buy after market carbon poles for it. It weights around 3 pounds and has a tiny footprint.

I'd say it handles summer rain storms well especially if you're only out for a night or two. I could see it getting cramped and soaking through

The big agnes is great in buggy/hot conditions but is quite drafty in cold windy conditions as it is mostly mesh. It is really nice for buggy hot summer conditions. We bought it after a terribly buggy and hot trip with the firstlight into silverstar basin. It is also quite light and i'd check out there other tents if you want to stick with a double wall…they have some less meshy models.

Carol W BPL Member
PostedAug 11, 2015 at 1:41 pm

Thanks for the suggestions. I noticed a typo I made. I mentioned the TT Scarp 2 but I meant StratoSpire 2. I will research these others. I am open for all suggestions or feedback!

Carol

PostedAug 11, 2015 at 1:50 pm

unfortunately, there's no perfect alpine tent. a lot comes down to what you are willing to sacrifice. As with many important things in life you can break this down into a triangle with weigh, comfort and survivability. When you say small footprint is need because only small sites are available, is this from what you’ve read or what you’ve experienced. depending on route selection, i can’t think of a popular PNW peak that can’t be bagged with an alpine start from a camp that, other than possibly having to do more site prep, requires a sub 30 sq/ft tent footprint. while i've always wanted an ahwahnee (double, not single door), i've never pulled the trigger. for small footprint and two big guys (6’2" and 200 lbs +/-) i've been very happy with my bd eldorado (think somewhere between september/october and may/june on rainier and possibly further into summer if the forecast calls for pain) and lighthouse (we don’t mind the side door for the upside of door size. i have a vestibule for each if i think i'm gonna need it (think boiling water etc). the smaller version of each of these models may be more applicable to your needs. both can be found lightly used on the various sales fora at a significant discount to retail pricing.

Jeffs Eleven BPL Member
PostedAug 11, 2015 at 6:51 pm

Scarp 2.

Underrated

I use it in the pnw with much sucess.

Summer, winter

Jeff Jeff BPL Member
PostedAug 11, 2015 at 9:18 pm

I use a bivy sack. If you are set on a tent, look at the red label Hillebergs.
I have had bad luck with tarptents. I usually end up wet in a heavy rain.

Paul S. BPL Member
PostedAug 12, 2015 at 10:53 am

"I have had bad luck with tarptents. I usually end up wet in a heavy rain."

Wet from rain penetrating the material from above, coming in through seams, or floor?

PostedAug 12, 2015 at 11:01 am

Through the seams. He had an issue with a Rainbow a few years ago.

Jeff Jeff BPL Member
PostedAug 12, 2015 at 9:13 pm

Through the fabric. The seams were sealed at the factory.

PostedAug 13, 2015 at 10:25 am

"Through the fabric. The seams were sealed at the factory."

I trust you returned it for a 'good' one?

Jeffs Eleven BPL Member
PostedAug 13, 2015 at 11:14 am

Not trying to be (totally) argumentative but, i dont even have sealed seams. I dont use the inner. I havent gotten wet from drippings in the few years ive had the tent

PostedAug 13, 2015 at 11:45 am

Sounds like his tent was maybe of a bad batch of silnylon. Not sure.

PostedAug 13, 2015 at 2:15 pm

There are several thousands Rainbow/Double Rainbow out there, if there was a common problem we would know by now.
There were reports of some misting years ago but we changed the silnylon we use since then to one with a higher waterhead.

franco@tarptent

Howard Snell BPL Member
PostedAug 13, 2015 at 3:43 pm

I have a Big Agnes Fly Creek 2 that I use as a l person tent. Have squeezed two into it. The Slater is longer and wider without a great increase in weight. Might be an option for you. I find that careful pitching of the Fly Creek is necessary to avoid excessive flapping in high winds. Not sure how either would do in a snow.

Howard

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedAug 13, 2015 at 5:15 pm

The Minaret is not bad, but if you want bomb-proof, go for the Macpac Olympus. Arguably the best commercial tunnel tent on the market.
Yes, I really mean that.

Cheers

Ralph Wood BPL Member
PostedAug 13, 2015 at 5:37 pm

I know you said mids are out, but you can use 2 poles to set up your mid and not have to have a center pole. Locus gear makes an adapter called the DTPE.

http://locusgear.com/products-2/accessories/dpte?lang=en

You can also lash your poles together. The weight savings of using a floorless mid are pretty substantial. Might be worth reconsidering. :)

John Mc BPL Member
PostedAug 13, 2015 at 6:42 pm

I owned a Contrail I'd say
around 5 years ago that was not made for the PNW rain. I only used it twice. Both nights it rained hard. My down bag was misted on each night. The bag would've been useless if I was doing two nights in a row. I could even feel it on my face. It was like someone was spraying my face. The seams were sealed. It was coming through the body. I sold it after my 2nd night.
I haven't bought another since. I believe they've improved the sylnylon they use, but it's difficult to erase my only experience.
Sorry Tarptent dudes…….

Barry Cuthbert BPL Member
PostedAug 13, 2015 at 7:15 pm

"but if you want bomb-proof, go for the Macpac Olympus. Arguably the best commercial tunnel tent on the market"

I was going to suggest the Olympus (and have had more than enough first hand experience of its capabilities) but the OP was after something that was small and light and the Minaret does fit that better than the Olympus.

I do agree that the Olympus is arguably the best commercial tunnel tent around, but being from NZ I may be slightly biased towards a NZ company.

Carol W BPL Member
PostedAug 14, 2015 at 9:55 am

Thanks for the input; this can definitely be a game changer. I see they do have mesh inners with floors if we want that. Thanks for the tip!

Carol

Carol W BPL Member
PostedAug 14, 2015 at 10:02 am

Thanks for the tip, Howard. I will read about this tent also- I hadn't noticed it before.

Carol

Carol W BPL Member
PostedAug 14, 2015 at 10:03 am

Thanks for the info, Franco. If I get the double Rainbow, I will get the liner too. Seems like a safe bet for the NW, would you agree?

Carol

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