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a winter overnight w/ dayhike kit- an experiment

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Mike M BPL Member
PostedMar 15, 2015 at 4:48 pm

I’ve recently revamped my winter daypack with a critical eye towards an unplanned night out. I ditched my AMK Thermolite bivy and “sportsman” blanket and replaced them w/ my eVENT bivy and a custom down half bag (elephant foot bag) from Hammock Gear, so thought I’d give it a go. The weather was calling for mild day and nighttime temps (which is good weather to experiment in!)

I’ve upped my winter daypack from 25 liters to 35 liters, but stuck w/ the same basic pack- Patagonia Ascentionist- I like the simple, no frills pack, it’s a sturdy pack, but still pretty lightweight

I was also giving some MSR Shift snowshoes (youth sized) a try. I wanted something lightweight for trips where they might be residing on your back more than on your feet. I was pleasantly surprised how well they did on our current snow, mostly wet and packed.

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the snow depth where I ended up was only 1.5-2′, so I opted for a debris shelter (that I would cover w/ snow) vs a snow trench

framed up

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I used a 5×8′ tarp a 7×7′ or 7×8′ would have been more suitable

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I carried a 30″ section of z-lite pad, used as a quasi frame and also a 1/8″ 20×60 ccf pad

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my half bag and down parka

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shelter is done

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supper on w/ an impromptu windscreen

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dessert- man that is good stuff- dark chocolate w/ a kick!

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view from the porch

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a fabbed up a little holder for a UCO candle, had to move it to the side as it was dripping on the bivy- worked well, but the wind was blowing so hard it would eventually work its way in and snub the candle out

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you can see the contractor bag and my pack behind me blocking the “door”, it could have been blocked better as the wind would work it’s way in

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temps only fell into the mid 30’s and I was very snug; if I had to guess I’d say I’d be comfortable to maybe the mid 20’s

I think for “normal” winter day trips I’ll be adding down booties, a down vest and some lwt fleece bottoms

anywho, pretty happy w/ the kit and yet another good reason to get out in the hills :)

PostedMar 15, 2015 at 6:02 pm

Wow! You have way more fun than I do.

I hope this is on topic. Did you study or consider any other snow shoes? Northern Lites has a light weight youth snow shoe, also; don't know if it would fit an adult foot.

Looking for the lightest weight shoe, I recently bought some Garneau runner's snow shoes for just-in-case situations and have found them to be surprisingly effective also. They fit nicely into the outer pocket of my Osprey Talon 22 day pack. The bindings look sort of wimpy but I can sink in deeply and yank them back out with no problem. Still need to try them on ice and side hills. Also need to learn how to attach them so they remain in-line with my shoes. They weigh 26.5 ounces for the pair.

Mike M BPL Member
PostedMar 15, 2015 at 6:29 pm

John- Hello I own one pair of light running snowshoes (Atlas Race) and they are great to run in, but really lack grip (save the foot crampon)- I've thought of a few different ways to add grip to them, but nothing I came up w/ looked like it was going to last very long

Do the Garneau's have much traction on the deck at all? The weight sounds sure sounds great. I think my Atlas Race are 31 oz for the pair.

Mike

PostedMar 15, 2015 at 6:58 pm

The Garneaus are not very aggressive. They have teeth under the heels and balls of the feet. There is nothing on the frame to aid traction. They have worked well descending a ~1000 feet per mile icy trail. I need to go try them on some steeper terrain to find their limit.

Dan Gregerson BPL Member
PostedMar 16, 2015 at 7:54 pm

Awesome skills Mike! Your Valentine's trip was equally impressive.

Quick question on the shift snowshoes — what size shoes do you wear. I've been wanting to grab a pear of the shifts since I read Dan D.'s rec to take them on the BMWO but wasn't sure I could stretch the bindings far enough to go around my 11.5 trail runners.

Thanks!
Dan

Mike M BPL Member
PostedMar 16, 2015 at 8:07 pm

thanks gents :)

Dan- I'm a size 10.5 and there is still room on the rear strap to open more (and locate the foot more rearward), my best guess is yes- it will fit a 11.5, but don't hold me to that :)

for firm snow I these pretty nice; they also are relatively aggressive on the decking portion (in addition to the foot crampon), I really like the binding setup- my Lightnings have a nice binding, but overkill imo- the two strap setup is more than sufficient imo

I wish the front strap opened like the middle one however, would make it easier getting the shoes on/off, my one little gripe

also it's possible that with a little fabbing, one could even get some of MSR plastic tails to work w/ these- I'm going to look into that possibility

Mike

PostedMar 18, 2015 at 10:15 pm

Really cool trip. A friend and I are always saying we are going to do this (overnight with the day kit) and have never gotten around to it. Inspiring! Thank you.

PostedMar 24, 2015 at 9:50 am

Nice work, Mike! I've been wanting to do this for a while but never manned up!

Ive thought about this scenario. One foot of snow is very common winter conditions in my area. Ive wondered if I could gather enough snow to make a snow shelter, using my snowshoes as a shovel. I went out recently and in 20 minutes dug myself a decent little platform for my tent on a mild slope. The resulting snow pile seemed close to half of what I would need for a tiny dugout shelter. maybe some day I'll get to actually try it out.

My winter emergency kit for running/day hikes is based on a blizzard bag and foam sit pad. http://www.blizzardsurvival.com/product.php/100/blizzard-survival-bag. what do you think about this? Have you considered something like this?

Stephen M BPL Member
PostedMar 24, 2015 at 10:25 am

Adan,

I would only sleep in a Blizzard with synthetic clothing
due to dampness, I slept in one before and its not breathable at all (its also very noisey)

PostedMar 24, 2015 at 11:15 am

I agree Stephen, this is for emergency situations only. Not for sleeping but for surviving overnight in winter.

Stephen M BPL Member
PostedMar 24, 2015 at 4:42 pm

Hi Adan,

Long story which I won't bore you with, but I used mine many years ago for about 4 hours at 45f and was I plenty warm in it wearing a sythetic hoody.

Cheers,

Mike M BPL Member
PostedMar 24, 2015 at 5:46 pm

Adan- Hello :) I have a couple of Blizzard bags (unopened) that I (and wife) was carrying, but never tested out. The reports I've read are pretty decent, so I think they are definitely a viable option. If I am pressed for space I wouldn't hesitate carrying one, but given a choice I'd opt for a half bag + parka + bivy – going to be a more comfortable for sure.

I agree w/ Stephen that you're going to get damp w/ the Blizzard bag (or any of the reflective bivy/blanket products), but for the weight and volume, I still think it's a pretty good choice

Mike

Stephen M BPL Member
PostedMar 24, 2015 at 5:51 pm

Hi Mike,

I ended up purchasing another one after using it, I leave the other one
in the car.

Mike M BPL Member
PostedMar 24, 2015 at 7:51 pm

they would be outstanding to have in a vehicle! I'm guessing it's a wee bit bigger after you used it, not sure how they get that bag packed so tight :)

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