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PostedMar 14, 2015 at 9:53 am

I'd like to do some time lapses / night lapses with my GoPro Hero 4. What's the lightest power pack I could get away with to get about 8 hours of battery life or so? The stock battery lasts for somewhere around 1.5 to 2 hrs of continuous photos. Would a cell phone battery pack that lasts the length of one cell phone charge do the trick?

This one weighs 2.5 oz (not including USB cable):

http://www.myinnergie.com/productdetail.php?productid=249&languageid=1

Is there anything better out there?

Or am I better off just getting extra batteries for my GoPro?

PostedMar 14, 2015 at 2:33 pm

That's exactly what I was looking for. However, can you school me on mAh and all that good stuff? How do I translate the data into useable run times for my Hero 4 Silver camera? What info do I need to make the conversions?

Jesse Anderson BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2015 at 3:12 pm

mAh can be thought of as a total amount of stored energy in a battery. Some google-fu indicates that your Hero 4 should have a battery with a capacity of 1160 mHa. You have to take into account that you're going to lose some of the energy from a separate battery pack due to losses that occur during the power transfer.

That said with something like a 3000mAh battery you'd get about 2 full charges on your camera battery with maybe a tiny bit left in reserve.

Dale Wambaugh BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2015 at 3:14 pm

Spare batteries are the easiest way to go, IMHO.

I have a USB battery pack that charges my iPhone 2+ times, but it evidently doesn't have the current to charge my Kindle Fire HD in any reasonable time— the point being that you can do the calculations, but it may not work as planned and it will be a trial and error operation unless you buy a charger/battery system that has a lot of capacity. That means weight and expense, which brings you right back to the spare batteries choice. If you are going to charge multiple devices like phone and camera(s), then a larger heavier charger/battery might be worth it.

When you do have a bunch of spares, label them 1/2/3 or A/B/C so you can keep track in the field, always using them in sequence so you know which one is dead and so on. Been there!

I saw a stock battery for your GoPro labeled 1160mAh, so you want a battery pack that is a multiple of that at least. Keep in mind that you may use up a battery faster than a dead one charges. Here's an article on the subject that you raised: http://www.howtogeek.com/178374/the-htg-guide-to-external-battery-packs/

If you bike, they are making dynamo front hubs for powering headlamps that also have USB charging capability. I don't know how one would work for off road conditions, but I like the idea a lot for touring. You could spin along and charge up your phone or GPS. Cool!

I see that GoPro makes an extended life battery too and it comes with a housing extension: http://shop.gopro.com/accessories/battery-bacpac/ABPAK-401.html#/start=1

Tom D. BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2015 at 3:30 pm

The nice thing about an external USB battery pack is that you can charge other devices such as your phone, etc. from it. If you want to do Time Lapses of much longer than about 1.5 hrs, you have to use an external battery or the BacPac, as you cannot change the internal GoPro battery in the middle of the time lapse. I prefer using a USB battery pack when I bring a solar charger, as I don't like to charge my phone or camera directly from the solar charger.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2015 at 3:53 pm

"When you do have a bunch of spares, label them 1/2/3 or A/B/C so you can keep track in the field"

I always use #1 first, when it dies use #2

The #1 set of batteries gets a lot more use, so I assume it will reach end of life sooner. After some number of re-charge cycles, it starts losing it's capacity, especially at low temperature. Then I'll re-cycle the #1 set, and use the #2 set as my primary and buy a new set and label them #3. etc.

This is for NiMh rechargeable batteries. Or would work with any re-chargeable

The other thing you could do, is try to use #1 and #2 sets balanced, so they reach end of life at the same time. You'll maximize the time before they reach end of life, but as they approach that, you'll have less capacity. You may find them both dying on a trip.

PostedMar 14, 2015 at 5:21 pm

http://www.sparkyhikes.com/2014/01/choosing-external-battery/
Choosing an External Battery
January 23, 2014
I recently investigated the external battery market. As always, a backpacker needs to become a minor expert in a subject in order to see through the marketing fluff and make a wise purchasing decision so I thought it might be useful to pass on some of my new-found knowledge.

What Is An External Battery?

Charging a smartphone
Physically an unremarkable metal and plastic oblong probably about the size of a thick smartphone (the thicker ones probably have more capacity, i.e. store more juice) or some smaller ones are lipstick shaped. It is basically a big battery which you can recharge hundreds of times from a wall charger or via a USB cable from, say, a laptop or personal computer.

It stores the electricity (which I shall call ‘juice’) for several months, losing only a little over time, and when you need to recharge one of your devices (ebook reader, phone, tablet, camera, GPS unit, headlamp, etc.) you connect it with an appropriate cable (you often have to supply your own, such as the one that came with your device) and it charges your device. It may or may not do this very quickly and it may or may not charge it all the way up and it may or may not be able to repeat this process depending on the respective capacities of the device and the battery.

It is worth noting that they are useful for many, but not all, mobile devices. A colleague just bought a Toshiba Excite tablet and, unlike say a Google Nexus or Apple iPad, it requires a traditional laptop-like ‘brick’ transformer outputting 3 amps and therefore isn’t really ‘portable’ despite its form factor and ‘tablet’ name. Such devices are beyond the purview of the external batteries reviewed here.

So, if you carry an external battery you will be able to recharge your compatible devices ‘in the field’, both metaphorically and literally, i.e. away from a wall charger. This makes them potentially useful to backpackers who wish to carry electronic devices (phones, GPS units and personal locator beacons in particular) that will otherwise run out of power too soon. Day hikers probably don’t need to carry one.

What Do I Need To Know In Advance?

You have to be clear in advance which devices you want to charge with this battery, what power input port each has (all devices have only one power input port ), what the input rating for that port is (in watts) and what the capacity of each of these devices is (in “milliamp hours”). You should also check the input voltage for your device is around the output voltage of the external battery, usually 5V.

And of course you have to decide yourself how many times you want to be able to recharge your device – is an emergency 20% top-up sufficient, do you want to recharge it fully twice, or whatever you want. Obviously, the more spare juice you want the bigger a battery you will have to carry.

Aside: some devices quote their capacity as ‘watt hours’ instead of milliamp hours. To convert watt hours into milliamp hours you divide the battery watt hours by the battery voltage and then multiply by 1000. In practice it is easier to just Google “‘my device name’ battery in mah” to get the answer. E.g. the iPad Air (2013 version) is only listed as 32.4WH on Apple.com but Wikipedia soon tells you that it’s about 8800mAh.

What Are the Key Features of the External Battery?

Capacity – aka how much juice it can store. Luckily this is expressed in the same way for all batteries and appears to be a reliable and trustworthy value. It is ‘milliamp hours’ or mAh and the number is often found in the product name itself but is always found in the product description or specifications list (‘specs’). A very small value is 1000, a medium size is 4000-5000 and a large one is, well, bigger than that.
Weight – this is always a key spec to consider for all items when backpacking.
How many output ports – batteries always come with at least 1 output port but some come with 2, 4 or even more. Decide how many you need. Having an extra one or two you won’t use is not a problem other than the extra weight and space they will have taken up.
What kind of output port(s) does it have? Micro-USB, full-size USB, Apple 30-pin or Lightning? Typically a 2-port unit has 0 or 1 micro-USB ports and 1 or 2 full-size USBs but check. To use an Apple device from a full-size USB port you just need to use the cable that came with your Apple device. While you can buy an Apple micro-USB converter it probably isn’t worth it; it’s easier to get a battery with a full-size USB.
Input rating – how much charge it can take into itself dictates how quickly the battery itself recharges. This is a very important feature that is little-discussed and can be hard to find but will impact you enormously when out backpacking with very limited access to wall sockets for recharging.
Output rating(s) – how much charge it can give out to your devices. What charge can each output port give out? How is that charge affected when more than one device is plugged in (is it shared)?
You might think that ‘ruggedness’ is a key feature a backpacker looks for but actually this feature is so rare as to render a shortlist self-defining and the battery would be so heavy that it makes more sense to pop a battery in a light waterproof bag and just be careful not to drop it.
Note: all external batteries supply only a fraction of their rated capacity to the charging device due to loss to heat and other inefficiencies. Typically this runs from 70% to 80% so before purchase you have to accept that a 5000 mAh battery may only supply 4000 mAh of juice at best.

Do You Actually Need One?

So now we know what is going on in with batteries in general we can decide if they are right for me. If I take a 1470mAh Kindle for book reading and an 1420mAh iPhone 4 for I would probably only need the battery for the phone since the Kindle lasts a long time between charges and is not at all vital to keep charged – whenever I run across a usable power outlet every week or two, that will be fine.

Some devices allow you to change the internal battery. Cameras and some cellphones for example. You can maybe even purchase such a replacement battery with a bigger capacity than the manufacturer supplied one making it a real double-win for you. In this instance you may elect to simply take a spare battery for that device only, rather than use a generic external battery, or at least use that idea to supplement your battery needs. For example, I will take two camera batteries because I can get a 1500mAh battery for my Olympus TG-630 for ÂŁ5 to supplement the Olympus-supplied 925mAh one. Together they ought to last a week or two.

That iPhone 4 has a 1420mAh capacity. A battery that weighs about the same as the phone (136g) will be about 5000mAh capaity so will supply about 2.8 full charges (5000*0.80 efficiency/1420). That’s pretty useful. A fully-charged iPhone and battery will give me at least 3.8 uses of the phone.

One tip I picked up is that many devices ‘fast-charge’ up to 80% of its full capacity and then slow- or trickle-charges up to 100%. This means that it is more time-efficient to only recharge to 80% each time as the final 20% could take almost as long. Check your own device before setting off and see if this true for it.

And another thing: there is a long-held myth that batteries such as these or the battery in your device must be fully drained before each recharge, and that each recharge must be to 100% each time, or else the battery will develop a ‘memory effect’ such that it doesn’t store as much juice as when you first bought it. This is not true with modern lithium-ion batteries (“li-ion”). Check your manual. It may recommend the occasional such cycle, in which case follow those instructions, but nothing more is necessary.

Shortlist Criteria

My core needs were as following:

I am taking an iPhone 5 and a Kindle The iPhone has a capacity of 1440mAh, accept 1 Watt input and uses an Apple Lightning port. Apple supply a USB-Lightning cable with the phone so that can be used. The Kindle is about 1300mAh, uses micro-USB and accepts 500 ma (milliamps) of input.

My shortlist criteria therefore were:

A 4000-5000 mAh battery with a full-size USB output port capable of supplying at least 1 amp. This is a pretty standard requirement.
I want it to be as light as possible (of course).
One output port. Nothing wrong with 2 but I only need 1 as I have no requirement to charge my phone and Kindle simultaneously.
I want it charge as quickly as possible so I want the input rating to be as high as possible (2 amp or more). The vast majority of batteries only take 1 amp so will charge twice as slowly as one that takes 2 amps. This was a big filter that cut down the shortlist to a very short list.
Good reputation. I didn’t want a battery direct from the Far East with no trading history, no US- or European-based company to take responsibility. I wanted to be able to rely on the unit working in the backcountry, I wouldn’t have the chance to ring suppliers, return the product, get a replacement, etc. It had to work first time and best way to ensure that is to stay away from the ‘bleeding edge’.
Optional: 2 amp or greater output. While an iPhone and Kindle would not need it, many people report an iPhone charges slightly quicker when the charger exceeds the standard 1 amp and I also wanted the battery to work for the tablets we have at home so it had more use outside of the AT hike. This was a minor decision criterion therefore.

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