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Zero + Small NeoAir + Quilt + CCF Frame?

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PostedFeb 13, 2015 at 12:30 pm

Alright fellas, I have been reading for the last four (okay, six) hours every thread I could find on frameless packs, torso length pads, CCFs, and Quilts. My head is spinning. I'm hoping some wiser men than myself can shed some light onto this situation.

Here it is:

Should I get a CCF sit pad, or full length pad to add 1) a pack frame and 2) warmth to the sleep system?

The Gear
I have a Zpacks Cuben Hybrid Zero sz Medium, a short NeoAir original or a short Xlite, an EE Rev 30* quilt, and a 3.5oz silk liner from Gear Swap.

The Hike
I'm starting a hike on the Pinhoti Trail March 1st and heading up to Fontana (~500mi) in about 40 days. I'm most concerned with staying warm on the AT towards the last week of March through the first week in April.

The Hiker
I have not used a quilt before, I made the switch when I got a good deal and needed to replace a beat up WM Summerlite. I thru hiked the AT in 2011 and worked as a wilderness guide for the last few years, so I can be handy if I need to. I used an Ohm 1.0 for the thru-hike (which I still have) but generally have little experience with a frameless backpack.

Here are the options I can think of:
Small NeoAir Original vs Xlite, Zpacks Zero vs ULA Ohm 1.0, CCF pad – sit, full, or none

Here is a link to the rest of the gear for anyone who is interested:
http://lighterpack.com/r/cbenmu

Michael Unger BPL Member
PostedFeb 14, 2015 at 7:35 am

I think an extra CCF pad makes sense to add warmth to your sleep system. My wife and I hiked the AT last year, starting on 3/10. We carried 30 degree quilts, NeoAirs (1 Xlite and 1 Original), and 1/8" Gossamer pads. We had several nights in the low teens. We were only warm enough because we slept in all our clothes (Montbell UL jacket, fleece, merino wool top and tights). My wife also slept in her rain gear. I don't think a 30 degree quilt is enough for March on the AT. The bag liner does't add much warmth. I'm back on the AT this year, but I'm starting with a 20 degree bag, but no extra CCF pad.

I found the pad clumsy to use as a frame for my MLD Exodus. I gave up trying to use it as a frame and focussed on organizing my gear properly.

I love quilts, but the key to stay warm is to learn how to tightly secure it to my pad so as to eliminate drafts. It takes practice.

Hope to see you on the trail.

Mike

Ben C BPL Member
PostedFeb 14, 2015 at 8:26 am

I really like an almost full length 1/8 inch pad. It's pretty light, protects your pad, and adds a little warmth

Ryan Smith BPL Member
PostedFeb 14, 2015 at 2:05 pm

What pack weights are you looking at? I think that will decide which pack to take. There's nothing you can do to in order to make that Zero comfortable above 20lbs IMO. I use an original NeoAir year round with no problems, so you may not need to take the CCF pad unless you want a little insurance. They do provide a lot of utility though – sit pad, pad protection, a bit more insulation, etc.

Ryan

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