Nice review, though lacking in info on long term durability other than theory, which is what most of us care about.  But not surprising given how new the product is.

Only statements that I took issue with wasn’t the UberLite part and perhaps it should be noted in a separate thread.  it was the comment on how sleep can degrade on a foam pad and that your sleep will degrade the longer you are out.  That has not been my experience at all.  In fact it is the opposite as my sleep improves the longer out I am, not degrading, where I eventually sleep more soundly than at home (note that I’m a light sleeper at home who tosses a lot and all the staring at at computer screens before bed probably doesn’t help).  Hiking for 12-13+ hours a day tends to help with sleep quality for me as does getting into the natural circadian rhythm with the sun/night cycle.   I hiked the PCT with a GG Torso Pad+SitPad on a 1/8″ thinpad and I think I slept pretty well after a few weeks on the trail without any soreness or numbness which I’ve only experienced when I allowed myself to get overweight by a good margin or tried sleeping on an AT shelter floor made out of logs not boards. Though I do admit to being very selective in my normal cowboy camp/tarp campsites with an eye for comfort as much as drainage. Note, I’m not talking about using those thin Zrest/Ridgerest pads, but Gossamer Gears effectively thicker pads where the bumps aren’t hollow on the other side and thus can’t collapse as much. With the Zrest, I can more see your point, but I haven’t used them in 12+ years so don’t remember them well.

I also own a short NeoAir, but I still go the foam pad route 2 out 3 trips even now for a small weight savings as I still bring the thinpad with the neoair for puncture protection.  I tend to only bring the NeoAir with my smaller MLD Burn where the GG pads fill up too much of the volume and I really have to compress my sleeping quilt to fit which I don’t like.  The NeoAir in comparison takes up much less space which is it’s biggest advantage to me.  That said, this Uber Lite intrigues me as the short version is as light or may be a bit lighter than my TorsoPad/SitPad setup which does have my attention and strong interest as except for possible durability (which is still a big deal in pointy environments), it beats out my foam pad in every other category.  Given the 2 REI giftcards I got for Christmas, when does REI have their next 20% off one item sale as I’m almost sold?

How times have changed.  May I say improved.  Back in the 60’s and 70’s I routinely went out in winter and used a 1/2 inch ensolite pad in the Sierras all winter. I doubt it had an R value of 2.  I do now prefer my Exped down mat.  The new light wt pad should have excellent utility in 3 seasons.  Having punctured several pads I do have concerns re: durability.

“Why didn’t they use Dyneema? Its lighter, stronger, etc…”

Because it is less abrasion resistant than nylon. Laminating an abrasion resistant fabric makes it far heavier in total weight than nylon. There are other reasons, creasing and bending for example.  The technology doesn’t exist to make a reliable/durable dyneema air pad, yet.  And of course, $$$.

I use a polycryo ground cloth. This helps keep the floor of my tent clean and helps with abrasion on the floor at a very minimal weight cost. It also helps with punctures. I also use a very thin and light foam mattress from Gossamer Gear inside my tent and under my mattress primarily for puncture protection, but also for a bit of added warmth. This combination makes me more confident in using an Exped air mattress and has kept me from having any leaks. And since I’d use this combination in any case with any mattress, it would add a lot of confidence in using the Uberlight.

Of course, there could be issues with this mattress over time for other reasons.

I’m not shelling out $180.00 clams for this at this moment in my life. BUT, if you pro rate the thing over 70 or 80 nights or more….it costs much, much less than a room for two nights in a Motel Six. Thinking like that, it’s probably worth the money.

It is hard to understand why a pad that is technologically simpler than the XLite costs more.

It is the same reason that new phones cost more. It isn’t the cost of manufacturing or materials, it is because the people who make the new product thinks they are worth more. They don’t believe that this will replace previous pads, or be the standard for pads. It is merely an option for those that are willing to baby their gear, and are willing to put up with a colder pad. That means that they don’t expect to sell huge numbers, regardless of price. It would be silly, therefore, to sell this for under the cost of the XLite. If they did, they would have trouble recouping the cost of development.

As for why all the XLite products are relatively expensive, I’m guessing there are a couple big factors. One is the cost of development, which I would imagine is pretty high for this company. They are one of the more innovative companies out there (especially the Thermarest division). Second, the products are made in the U. S., and I believe they are made in Seattle. That means labor costs are more than the U. S. average (Seattle has a high minimum wage) and much higher than the developing world. My guess is they hire (and keep) skilled manufacturers by paying them well.

When we will pay almost any amount just to save 3 to 4 ounces, we send a strong message to the manufacturers.

I agree, and I think it is a good message. If you keep innovating and make high quality products, people will buy them. This isn’t a product for everyone (any more than an iPhone is a product for everyone) but I think it an option that will work for many. Even if I don’t buy it, I’m glad they made it.

+1  No doubt the anticipated warranty claims are baked in to the cost which seems reasonable to me – the practice of baking in the warranty claims – everyone will decide for themselves is the price is reasonable and vote with their wallet.

If you put one in your cart selecting in store pick up at REI, the pick up date is 2/14.

(Please read lightheartedly, I enjoyed this review and am considering buying the NeoAir UL)

Excuse my UL heresy but I am completely satisfied using my Large 25″x 77″ TAR RidgeRest SOLar, R-Value 3.5. Sure its heavy/bulky at 26oz but it is ONE pad to keep track of. It functions as my full length, bomber- take a nap on the rocky/snowy- trail pad. It provides me extra length and width so I don’t slip off and get a cold spot. It also serves as my groundcloth being that it’s wide and long- therefore one less item to worry about and less weight. It never makes annoying crinkling noises that keep me and my camp buddies awake. No worrying about babying my $200 pad is all the comfort I need to sleep soundly. LOL

I’ve trained myself to be a back sleeper. It starts at home. Switch to a firm mattress and don’t use pillows. Then your spine will be ready : P

I’m thinking maybe ill get the Uberlite in Short and combine with a Ridgerest classic large cut to 2/3 length.

My experience with the regular XLite pads is that they are very noisy when new but get much quieter after a few nights of use. Not sure whether to expect the same with these.

RE: How companies come up with pricing

Just for background there are three parameters the marketing representatives of product development teams use when it comes to pricing:

Cost plus, meaning cost plus some markup over cost. This cost includes not just the cost of materials but the R&D and other costs amortized over the life of the product. The use of this parameter is mostly not followed today when social media companies price apps or services below cost in order to capture mindshare and eyeballs. For some products like CPUs and other chips that go into laptops and cellphones actually get cheaper on a unit cost basis the more of them that you build. (See Moore’s Law).

Price against the more or less competitive products, including products in your own product portfolio.

Price based on the perceived value to the customer.  As stated above, the BPL community will pay $$$ for lower weight products.  In some industries, the price itself is a signal of compelling value, witness the price of luxury cars.

Often the three parameters yield three very different potential prices.  The bias is to price high since if you price too low, it is very difficult to raise the price later unless you are selling something customers cannot do without.

Two nights of use ok so far. I agree it’s notably less noisy then either my neoair xlite women’s or my neoair thermarest. It was satisfactory to 37 F in no wind conditions with a 10F quilt vented with the 5mm gossamer gear pad underneath. I slept on pine needles polycryl and 1oz dyneema and found no issues.

weight wise I think as I’m 5’10” I’d be picking between the neoair women’s (11.7oz/3.9R) and this Uber light for all but summer trips and low altitude fall trips. I did appreciate less noise.

I think it is about time for a long term update – this thread is 2 years old and price has come down on these pads a bit.