ISPO 2015: Part 1, Clothing

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Having had so much fun last year and, at a modest six hour train journey away being relatively local, I signed up for another report on the ISPO sports and outdoor trade show in Munich. I decided to just do three days this year, as I found the fourth a bit tedious in 2015. That meant a bit more organization and a tighter schedule. I also wanted to improve on last year’s photos: smartphones will take a nice picture; it’s just a matter of holding them steady enough. To that end I bought a lightweight tripod and smartphone adapter. I think the photos are much sharper as a result, I hope you enjoy them. Of course, eventually the fun is over and one gets down to the nitty-gritty of sorting through the small mountain of USB sticks, business cards and brochures.

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Mar 11, 2015 at 6:49 am #1326689

Stephanie Jordan
Spectator

@maia
Locale: Rocky Mountains

Companion forum thread to:

ISPO 2015

Mar 11, 2015 at 7:21 am #2181623

No Limu, just Doug
BPL Member

@sleeping
Locale: The Cascades

"I had a very interesting conversation with the rep from Toray. They had sewn up some nice factory prototypes with their new insulation material ‘3DeFX+’. I reported on this new ‘stretch’ insulation last year, but it was nice to see it turned into something wearable:"

KUIU has a jacket (with and without hood) with Toray 3DeFX+, Kenai hoody and jacket. 15 oz and 13 oz.

Mar 11, 2015 at 4:28 pm #2181806

Roger Caffin
BPL Member

@rcaffin
Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

Thanks Matthew

Yeah, we are up for field testing!

Cheers

Mar 12, 2015 at 4:54 am #2181927

Woubeir (from Europe)
BPL Member

@woubeir

A few remarks:
1) SDP by Keela/Ardmel is not something relatively new, but already exists for a long time and the opportunity for anyone to use it, is not new either.
2) 3DeFX+ = Fullrange by Patagonia.
3) 3M Thinsulate Featherless: according to their pressrelease and a few other sources, it's not continuous but a loose fill insulation, intended to look like down.
4) Montane Fireball Verso: the insulation used is not the common Primaloft Silver but the new Primaloft Silver insulation Active, Primaloft's answer to Polartec Alpha or Toray's 3DeFX+.
5) Montane Hi-Q with Primaloft Gold Luxe: I find it strange to hear it's exclusive to Montane, yet to see it in a few pieces of other brands also. BTW, Luxe looks like a slitghly improved version of Thermoball, also made by Primaloft.

Mar 12, 2015 at 6:15 am #2181941

Matthew Pullan
Spectator

@skyaddict
Locale: Steiermark

1) I realise SDP is by no means new, in fact, I mentioned it in my own article last year:
https://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/process#.VQGM8FJ0wdA
It is the Saxon Jacket that is new this year, and it is lighter than other SDP jackets from Keela. I raise the subject of SDP again in order to point out that the technology is getting lighter.
2) I do not suggest that only Toray is using 3DeFX+. In my own article last year, I made it clear that stretch insulation itself was by no means new.
3) The 3M rep said it was a continuous fibre.
4) From the Montane workbook:
– 40g PRIMALOFT® SILVER insulation for
super packable warmth and gossamer
weight
5) The Montane Rep said that Primaloft Gold Luxe is exclusive to Montane. I do not venture to say how good any of these new types of synthetic insulation are, I think we will be waiting a few years before we can say with more clarity how they perform.

Mar 12, 2015 at 6:47 am #2181952

Woubeir (from Europe)
BPL Member

@woubeir

No problem. Just to help some to have a clearer picture.
1) SDP: just to say that it exists for maybe 10 years (or longer) and the fact that only a few brands have pickt it up, tells maybe something. Is it getting lighter ? Sure, but nearly everything is.
2) oh, I just wanted to say that Pata's 'mysterious' Fullrange insulation is simply 3DeFX+.
3) from their press release: "3M announced today the launch of 3M Thinsulate Featherless Insulation, a new loose fill insulation alternative to natural down…"
4) I have the workbook too and it's faulty about this. Better info on OM: http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/gear-news/montane-gets-new-more-breathable-primaloft/13936.html
5) the rep was wrong

;-)

Mar 12, 2015 at 7:17 am #2181956

Matthew Pullan
Spectator

@skyaddict
Locale: Steiermark

> the fact that only a few brands have pickt it up, tells maybe something. Is it getting lighter ? Sure, but nearly everything is.
I also pointed out that Keela's claims for their SDP technology are, as yet, untested by BPL staff. If there is a noticeable improvement in comparison to a single membrane, and the garments are now coming in below 500g, then they may become an option more people are willing to consider.

Matt

Mar 12, 2015 at 7:46 am #2181964

Woubeir (from Europe)
BPL Member

@woubeir

One BPL that would surprise me big time as even there's quite some discussion on a rain shell of maybe 250g. "Is 250g not unnecesserally heavy ?" :-)

Mar 12, 2015 at 11:44 am #2182040

rick .
BPL Member

@overheadview
Locale: Charlotte, NC

Can someone smarter than me explain how reversing a jacket can change its wind resistance/breath-ability?

I could see having the more wind-resistant face to the outside would make it warmer, but its the same two fabrics that air has to be pushed through.

Mar 13, 2015 at 8:41 pm #2182433

Adam Kilpatrick
BPL Member

@oysters
Locale: South Australia

My guess is its not so much about total breathability, but rather than by exposing the insulation to a greater amount of wind/airflow its total insulation effectiveness will be reduced (greater rate of air changes). This would make it feel cooler.

There is a (probably slight) chance that by doing this, the airflow over the now inner, less breathable fabric will be ever so slightly increased. Increasing the airflow over a membrane will increase the rate it can breath, ever so slightly. For this to be effective the other fabric and the insulation would have to put up a rather pitiful amount of resistance to wind.

Mar 14, 2015 at 2:20 pm #2182652

Roger Caffin
BPL Member

@rcaffin
Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

> explain how reversing a jacket can change its wind resistance/breath-ability?
I scratched my head over that one as well.
A bit warmer, sure, possible.

Cheers

Mar 14, 2015 at 5:42 pm #2182719

Adam Klags
BPL Member

@klags
Locale: Northeast USA

Pretty disappointed to hear montane going over to goretex. One of the attractive things about the company was their eVent options. I hope RAB and others are sticking with eVent…

Mar 15, 2015 at 5:30 am #2182789

Woubeir (from Europe)
BPL Member

@woubeir

Oh well, aren't we searching constantly for something more comfortable ? Whether event, gore-tex, neoshell or something else, I personally don't care. Event had the name of the most comfortable (for a rainshell). Now there's also GTX Pro. And what will bring the future ?

Mar 15, 2015 at 5:37 am #2182790

Woubeir (from Europe)
BPL Member

@woubeir

Sounds like the Berghaus Hypertherm.

Mar 18, 2015 at 4:10 am #2183649

Evan Davies
Member

@evand
Locale: Wales

And the Inov-8 Thermoshell

Mar 18, 2015 at 6:41 am #2183675

John DeMorris
BPL Member

@bulwyf
Locale: West TX

Matthew thanks for the very informative report on ISPO 2015. The Rab Flashpoint jacket looks promising. I hope to read a BPL review of it soon!

Mar 19, 2015 at 12:26 am #2184001

Matthew Pullan
Spectator

@skyaddict
Locale: Steiermark

Hi John,
glad you liked the article. Parts 2 and 3 should be out in the next two weeks. When the articles are finished I will forward company contact details to the relevant parties at BPL, I like to get the articles done first. After that, who knows.
Matt
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