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    Steven T
    BPL Member

    @daddy-longlegs

    Hi folks, I’m a long time lurker, and this is my first post.  I bought a Tigoat small Wifi stove in December of 2018 for use in a Seek Outside Silvertip.  There are no reviews that I could find that are specific to the small Wifi, so I thought I’d post my impressions here.

    The small Wifi has an oval body with a flat, rectangular top and bottom, all of titanium, and measures 11” x 5” x 8” tall.  It sits on aluminum legs 4” off the ground.  The small Wifi uses a 2-3/8” diameter stovepipe that comes with a damper.  Standard stovepipe height is 4’, but I opted for a 6’ in order to keep the chimney top well away from my tent, to avoid spark holes and facilitate draft.  I also purchased a bottom spark arrestor for the same reason.

    The stove comes in a black nylon bag, with the top and bottom held together with nylon screws in order to hold most of the rest of the components inside.  The oval body and foil chimney are rolled into a nylon carrier tightly enough to fit the spark arrestor on the end.  The legs also fit outside the stove pan.  My stove weighs 32 ounces in its bag, which sounds heavy until you compare it to other stoves on the market.  Because of its flatness, it fits easily into the back of my pack.

    For the most part the stove goes together easily once the chimney is heat treated with a first firing.  The oval body slots together before fitting into slots welded into the top and bottom, along the long sides.  Then it’s simply a matter of dropping the threaded legs in from the bottom (with the firebox upside down) and screwing them in place.  All that’s needed is some attention to make sure it lines up nicely.  The stovepipe is held in shape with cable rings and an interior ring at each end, with the spark arrestor serving as the ring for the bottom end.  Before the spark arrestor goes in, the damper pops into place by ovalizing the pipe on the end with the pre-drilled holes for it.

    The toughest part of putting the stove together is fitting the stove pipe into the firebox.  This is a very tight fit, and the first time it took me several minutes and some anxiety over possibly damaging my new stove.  It’s gotten much easier with practice and perhaps the pieces have worn in a bit.  It’s easiest to push the top of the pipe through the tent’s stove jack first for support.  The pipe rests on the damper’s wire crossbar once it’s in place.

    I’ve been building fires inside and out of woodstoves for 45 years.  To start a fire, you need fuel, oxygen, and heat.  I find that it’s often easier to start a fire and keep it going in an enclosed space, especially with wet fuel, because it confines and concentrates the heat needed to boil off the water and combust the fuel.  This seems to be the case with this little stove.  Access to the firebox is small, a hole about 3” in diameter.  A fire starter such as waxed wood chips, followed by tiny twigs to start, has worked best for me.  It takes patience, and like any small fire, you can’t leave it unattended for long or it will go out.  Best to be a firebug if you’re going to use a stove like this.  Once a bed of coals are built up, I’ve found that wood up to an inch or so in diameter can be added, and the stove can be minimally attended for 10-15 minutes at a time.  If you’re hungry for dinner, this isn’t a great way to cook it, but it’s an excellent way to while away the hours on a long winter’s night.  The flat top makes it easy to cook on (or at least boil water).  Since I don’t want to infuse my tarp with cooking smells, I cook outside on an alcohol stove and use the woodstove to make hot beverages, which is a lot of fun!

    This is not an airtight stove by any means, which is one of the reasons it won’t hold a fire long.  The door is simply a curved piece of TI with holes strategically placed for air and a hook on the back of it.  To use it, you simply hook it onto one of three holes arranged vertically on the stove face, thus adjusting how much of the stove’s opening is exposed and how much air the fire gets.  There are also holes along the bottom of the stove below the main opening.  To move the door there’s a springy TI handle on it which never heats up.  The stove is capable of burning very hot and fast, in which case lowering the door and simmering the burn down is a good idea.  The other fire control is the damper, which is hugely important.  Dampers constrict the chimney, forcing the burn to slow down.  This is what you’ll fine tune your burn with.  It’s like a little dance:  before opening the door, you open the damper wide, or else risk dumping a bunch of smoke into your tent.  Open the door, add wood, shut the door, then dial in the damper.  Repeat as necessary.

    A cheap, very useful addition to your kit is a 2-3 foot length of 1/8” clear plastic tubing.  Ever blow on a fire to get it going?  Using this tubing will keep you from hunching over the front of your stove repeatedly.  It will fit neatly into the stove’s air holes (not too far or you’ll melt it) and allow you to direct the air where it will best rev up a dying fire.  Often I can get a fire to burst into flame again when it’s trying to go out.

    As for performance, it isn’t difficult to get patches of the stove red hot.  My SO Silvertip is 70 sf, and the Wifi heated it to 70+ degrees F effortlessly in 30 degree weather.  I live in Middle Tennessee, so sub-zero temperatures are rare, but it is supposed to get down to 18 d later this week.  Hopefully I’ll get a chance to see what the small Wifi can do in colder temperatures.

    Hot tenting may not sound very ultralight, but it uses almost no fuel compared to a campfire, and is much warmer.  My last trip’s base weight was under 20 pounds, stove, tent, and all, which isn’t bad considering it was January (okay, January in Tennessee aint much compared to what a lot of you folks do).  Wood fires are our most time honored way to keep warm, and besides, it’s fun.

    Do you have a lightweight tent stove?  What do you think of it?  How do you use it?  Are you thinking about getting one?  I look forward to your comments.

    #3574146
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    How on earth do you get a ‘Wifi stove’ made of titanium???? The whole idea seems ridiculous to me.

    Cheers

    #3574153
    Steven T
    BPL Member

    @daddy-longlegs

    I have no idea where tigoat got the name. I do think we’ve been using fire for a very long time though, and it’s especially useful in cold environments. One of the reviews I read about WiFi stoves was by a guy who does long mountain biking routes in Alaska. He said hot tenting made a huge difference in his trekking because he had the ability to dry his stuff out, thereby avoiding the problems of moisture retention in gear.

    #3574154
    Steven T
    BPL Member

    @daddy-longlegs

    #3574178
    Matthew / BPL
    Moderator

    @matthewkphx

    “How on earth do you get a ‘Wifi stove’ made of titanium???? The whole idea seems ridiculous to me.”

    Please clarify if your incredulity is related to the stove’s name or the material choice. I’m honestly curious.

    #3574281
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    It’s the WiFi bit that boggles me. The use of Ti is of course de rigeur.

    Cheers

    #3574286
    JCH
    BPL Member

    @pastyj-2-2

    The name got you to look at it, think about it, ask questions and hopefully Google it.  Job done.

    #3574290
    Franco Darioli
    Spectator

    @franco

    Locale: Gauche, CU.

    I am guessing here that Josh came up with that name pocking fun at all the WiFi products coming out at the time.

    BTW, WiFi was invented by a group of scientists working for the CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific  and Industrial Research Organisation), an Australian Government agency.

    The name itself was a pun on HiFi , another overused term at the time.

    (BTW, I have asked Josh, awaiting for his reply)

    #3574296
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    The name got you to look at it, think about it
    Sadly, wrong. I did not.
    When I come across ridiculous marketing spin I do not research it; rather I simply write off the vendor from future consideration.

    Cheers

    #3574303
    Franco Darioli
    Spectator

    @franco

    Locale: Gauche, CU.

    You are an old fart, and I mean that in all the best possible taste.

    Odd that you worked at the CSIRO yourself, did you avoid contact with the guys there that had a sense of humour ?

    Now, because apparently here an explanation is needed , (re :marketing spin) do you think that anyone bought that stove thinking they would get WiFi ?

     

    #3574317
    Edward John M
    BPL Member

    @moondog55

    WithFire

    UL camping WithFIre Safely

    Contractions are part of the English language tradition

    Lighten up Roger

    #3574354
    Steven T
    BPL Member

    @daddy-longlegs

    So…anyone here try hot tenting, or cooking on a woodstove?

    #3574361
    Franco Darioli
    Spectator

    @franco

    Locale: Gauche, CU.

    When Josh* first designed that stove I thought that it was a good bland between the efficiency of the cylindrical design and the practical top (for cooking) of the box stoves.

    I see that he has a new version but don’t know as yet what he has changed.

    Never used them myself but have played with some home made designs.

    ( *Josh Leavitt of Ruta Locura)

    #3574374
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Hi Franco

    The WiFi group is/was in the ACT; I was in Sydney. Sadly, there was very little communication between different Divisions.

    Sense of humour – the Chief of the Division I was in did tell me at one stage that my whole research group were all mad beggars – or words slightly worse to that effect. Curiously, we were the only group which met promised yearly objectives within budget. Which may be why the funding committee always gave us our full requested budget.

    WithFire – OK, possible.

    Cheers

    #3574457
    Franco Darioli
    Spectator

    @franco

    Locale: Gauche, CU.

    As I though the name was meant to be a joke , however poking fun at  the design and  speed of assembly of a competitor’s product.

    Does anyone remember when S2S had the iPood ?

    no, it did not have USB in…..

    #3574513
    Edward John M
    BPL Member

    @moondog55

    Franco you are probably correct about the naming. WithFire was something I read on a totally different type of forum, Perhaps it stated out as WithTitanium but WiTi probably sounded too Chineezy

    #3574515
    Edward John M
    BPL Member

    @moondog55

    I thought that the S2S iPOOD was a great idea but ridiculously overpriced for the target market.

    #3574518
    Matthew / BPL
    Moderator

    @matthewkphx

    With Fire is a pretty funny to me, actually.

    #3574661
    Steven T
    BPL Member

    @daddy-longlegs

    That’s hilarious.

    #3574662
    Steven T
    BPL Member

    @daddy-longlegs

    “As I though the name was meant to be a joke , however poking fun at  the design and  speed of assembly of a competitor’s product.

    Does anyone remember when S2S had the iPood ?

    no, it did not have USB in…..”

     

    The IPood, that is.

    #3574737
    Franco Darioli
    Spectator

    @franco

    Locale: Gauche, CU.

    Steven,

    I think that you will find more interest in hot tenting at trailspace.com

     

    #3574889
    Edward John M
    BPL Member

    @moondog55

    It could be viewed as an UL alternative to heavy synthetic sleeping bags for those who do not want to use a vapour barrier liner. Using a small stove like this does allow you to dry out clothing etc and that comfort can extend the time you can safely stay out. I’m wondering how it could be adapted to using alcohol or wax candles as a fuel when out on the tundra and natural fuel was not available. I can see uses for this sort of thing because UL has to be taken in context.

    #3574907
    Jarred O
    Spectator

    @set7-2

    While the math doesn’t work with regards to weight and efficiency I agree with Edward M. that a hot stove has a legitimate place in a kit.

    If one is willing to keep a fire rolling all night and is willing to take the weight hit (a warmer bag or bag/barrier system will always be less weight) then hot tenting is quite enjoyable. Protected from the weather one is still given that aesthetic impulse to stare into a fire for an hour and lose sense of time. Here in WA when it’s getting dark now at 5:32 (and before when it was getting dark at 4:40) it’s hard to push miles or hang out in camp. I find a stove to be better than a deck of cards or whatnot.

    I’d be curious about where fuel sources are lacking. Bringing candles doesn’t seem to provide enough fuel. I understand (having never been there) that tundra conditions would be different than WA but even still, when everything is soaked in the lowlands, one can still get a fire going with enough time and skill.

    #3574909
    Edward John M
    BPL Member

    @moondog55

    I have no experience in the Arctic but I have been told that dwarf willow can be found in some places. I was thinking of the times when I was using my UCO lantern in a Megamid and how even that small heat source seemed to take the edge of the damp. My thought experiment was based on burning about 50ml of alcohol and then using a couple of long burning emergency candles, say the 30gram ones from Sterno which burn for about 4 hours. If nothing else doing so would be one way to vent moisture up and out of the tent as I assume in these circumstance any cooking will be done on a fuel stove like an XGK-EX

    #3575090
    Steven T
    BPL Member

    @daddy-longlegs

    An ultralight tundra heater is a very interesting idea.  A quick look at energy density charts indicates that kerosene or diesel would be good fuel choices, and less dangerous that gasoline.  A burner with a flue and heat exchanger that was sized for your tent could run for hours with little attention, and you’d still have a flame for company.  Of course, it would need to be part of a complete system, including a tent that was as energy efficient as possible.  The reason wood stoves work in single skin tents is that the fuel is basically unlimited.  There are a number of heaters made for the small cruiser market that may adapt readily to tundra use.

    We had a little cold snap last night, so I slept out, 75 yards from the house, in the Silvertip with a new, untested bag and the stove.  It rained like the dickens the day before, so I put the tent up before the rain and collected wood which I stored inside the tent, in an effort to avoid wet fuel.  That part was smart.  The dumb part was leaving the doors shut the following day, which caused a fabulous amount of condensation to build up on the tent walls.  I retired to the tent anyway at about 10:00 pm, and spent an hour heating the tent up with the stove.  My hopes for blowing the condensation on the tent walls off with the stove were quickly dashed, even though it was easy to crank the heat up to 80+ inside the tent (it was in the high 20s F outside).  I ended up wiping the walls down with a bandana, then drying the bandana with the stove.  The wood wasn’t terribly dry, either, although it wasn’t sodden.  I fed the stove for an hour before letting the fire die and turning in, lulled to sleep by barred owls.

    I think it would take some hours of effort, and practice managing stove, tent and gear, to effectively dry gear out in a tent as small as the Silvertip.  I think it will be a lot of fun working out those processes.

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