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Dec 6, 2013 at 8:57 am #2051503
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Dec 6, 2013 at 6:10 pm #2051673AnonymousInactive"Also a long sword is multi-use gear to deter bears and sane people."
Sometimes weird thoughts pop in and out, and funny enough awhile ago, i was thinking, what weapon would i want to defend self against bears if a gun wasn't an option. Ok, yeah i know, bear spray and all that (which i agree with), but i'm thinking a full on, i'm hungry and i'm gonna eat you attack and not, i'm bluffing, testing, and defending my territory attack.
A slightly longer, but very well made and strong Katana sword with tanto tip came to mind. Relatively light for a sword type weapon, but super deadly and quite strong for the lightness. Those tanto tips can really penetrate very deeply.
But, in all reality, a Grizzly or Polar Bear would still probably eat you for lunch.. or more statistically, 9 out of 10 people would be lunch.
Now a black bear, i think one would have more than a fighting chance if somewhat trained with such a sword. Odd maybe closer to 5 out of 10 people would be lunch. Hey, not bad odds.
Deck yourself out in a full Dyneema suit, hey odds might jump up a little more.
Dec 6, 2013 at 6:15 pm #2051676I am concerned about the direction this thread is taking. Let us stay with the concerns of practicing literacy (and art!) on the JMT.
Dec 6, 2013 at 6:21 pm #2051678AnonymousInactiveWhy? The doom of this thread was entangled and sown in it's original intent and creation. It was a thread started to make fun of people, well certain kinds and types of people. Somewhat destructive in other words.
I say, let's bring total chaos and anarchy to it.
Dec 6, 2013 at 7:55 pm #2051701I feel like my head is exploding.
Dec 6, 2013 at 8:33 pm #2051708AnonymousInactiveWell, my latter posts on here were mostly subtly joking, but if your head does explode, i know a great facial re-constructionist/surgeon i can refer you too.
Dec 6, 2013 at 10:22 pm #2051727I use a full Faber-Castell #2.
Its my luxury item.
Dec 7, 2013 at 7:26 am #2051761I find it very amusing that this thread returned, as I was just thinking about finding it! My father sent me this as a Christmas gift request:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271286792882?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Kind of the cuben fiber of pencils, I think.
Dec 7, 2013 at 8:04 am #2051770Yeah, Rotring makes cool writing instruments. I got turned onto them years ago when I got a $150 triple pen/pencil at a garage sale for $2. They make some interesting ergonomic and very modern design pens that I like.
Dec 7, 2013 at 9:56 am #2051791…
Dec 7, 2013 at 12:40 pm #2051821This week when I submitted my weekly Kitchen Pass Request (KPR), the boss denied it. I thought I would be going backpacking. She (the Boss) said I have not been at home on a weekend in over two months and “her” To Do list was getting longer by the week.
So I am grounded this weekend.
One would think that the Boss should know better by now, than to leave me unsupervised with a Honey-Do List. But she did it again, leaving for some excursion with a friend. So I decided it was more productive to address the thread drift in the WPFTJMT thread.
TIME TO GET THE THREAD BACK ON TOPIC
So let’s get back to pencils. Since we are discussing the John Muir Trail, let us not overlook the fact that Mr. Muir, himself, operated with a pencil and paper.
His pencil and notes led to generally accepted glacier theories in the Sierra Nevada, especially Yosemite Valley; even though Muir was not a trained geologist. Not to mention many excellent books that led to protection of wilderness areas and a Movement. All this was accomplished with a pencil. Not a cell phone, not a camera, not a voice recorder, not a GPS, not a SPOT, not a PLB. How did Muir navigate these uncharted areas with just a pencil? How did he survive without those electronic devices, or even BPL to guide him in the proper gear choices to survive in the wilderness? More important than how, is the simple fact he did. We should emulate Mr. Muir.
THE UL LIFE
Much has been written on BPL about taking the UL principles of backpacking and applying them to life in general. Whether this is desirable or worthy is up to each individual.
I will point out that my own JMT Pencil search brought me to the conclusion that owning a pen is not required to live life or even backpack. It is unnecessary weight!
There are only two situations in life where you must have a pen. One is to sign a legal and binding contract, and the other is to sign a check. It occurred to me that whoever wants you to sign a contract will, in fact, have a pen at the ready for your signature. You do not ever need to carry a pen for contractual purposes. And you can live life without checks. Financial transactions can be carried out will electrons floating around inside a microprocessor. One of the reasons I rarely shop in stores anymore is to the time sucking delay in the checkout line when some person whips out a checkbook. That action sends shivers down my back.
So my move to a more ultralight life can be symbolized by the writing instrument case I used to carry in my business travel kit.
Traditional Heavy Writing Kit. Weight is 408 grams = 14.3918 ounces!!By replacing all of this paraphernalia with a dozen Blackwing 602’s, I have been able to reduce the kit by 232 grams (8.18356 ounces), or a 56% percent reduction in weight!
Ultralight Writing Kit. 176 grams = 6.20822 ounces.Yes, I can get by with just one pencil. But in business I must be concerned with efficiency and productivity. By not needing to stop and sharpen a single pencil, I can mass sharpen them on an airplane back home, and my work during the trip was completed quicker allowing me an earlier flight home and thus a greater inventory of recreational hours to invest in outdoor pursuits.
And let us not forget the creative side of the pencil for artistic endeavors!
edit: forgot to add the artwork. And on 2nd thought felt it would be proper to add a picture of John Muir too :)
Dec 7, 2013 at 12:47 pm #2051829If you can make that case convert into a stove windscreen, you will really have something.
–B.G.–
Dec 7, 2013 at 1:07 pm #2051835What a relief to be back on topic!
Dec 16, 2013 at 10:46 pm #2055062I wandered into my local university bookstore art department and found this tiny pencil sharpener, the Kum 400-1K and it is made from MAGNESIUM :) It can double for fire starting material along with the pencil.
4.8g for the sharpener and a whopping 2g for the Integra scorecard pencil. Johnny Muir is quaking in his grave :)
Dec 22, 2013 at 3:28 pm #2056918You know, Dale, that quarter weighs as much as the sharpener. Leave it behind! One need not flaunt one's wealth in the wilderness, especially on the JMT.
It is very shiny, though.
Dec 22, 2013 at 3:36 pm #2056920What does an original Nick Gatel drawing sell for these days? I like it.
Dec 22, 2013 at 5:28 pm #2056953Nick … lighten up … ditch the pencil case in favor of the one you were born with:
OR, since you require access to more than two pencils, a pocket protector
Dec 22, 2013 at 6:21 pm #2056966Sometimes I bring this little guy. I find it to be a multi-purpose item when I pre-sketch (pre-etch?) a section of my map. Upon completion I can be rid of that hypothetical gram of paper map with the flick of a wrist! I find I achieve a zen-like record of my thoughts when my writing space is at a premium.
If you're already carrying powdered iron oxide like I do (like we all should, really), the aluminum powder inside your new writing utensil can give you some emergency thermite for desperate fire starting situations.
This also seems to be a better item for emergency bartering on the trail than a mere pencil.
No lead breakage, nothing to sharpen, no spare eraser…
Dec 22, 2013 at 7:19 pm #2056979While I view Nick's original groundbreaking research as definitive on this subject, at least until we have better field data, I think it would be best to sand off the word "pressure" and substitute "weight" making the pencil motto
"HALF THE WEIGHT, TWICE THE SPEED".
The net removal of two letters would save weight. Almost as important, after so many months have passed I think it is time for the JMT pencil movement to take thought for the next stage – ensuring the long term propagation of the JMT pencil meme for posterity. By making this mod I believe we can better insure the spread the JMT pencil lifestyle to the sorely deluded masses, and placing this valuable information on the pencil itself will economically save weight over educational material in the form of trail handouts and flyers that would take up way to much weight, not too mention pack space.
Dec 23, 2013 at 9:00 am #2057072Your mod has merit, Mark, but please let me tweak it slightly. Substitute FORCE for WEIGHT. More accurate and only five letters. Or even this:
½ x FORCE, 2 x SPEED
Maybe we can petition Blackwing to issue a special JMT edition so embellished.
Feb 24, 2015 at 9:23 am #2177393only hike in snow write in pee. no need to carry anything for writing sul/xul
Dec 1, 2015 at 10:08 pm #3368199In a surprising turn or events, Palomino has heeded our call, and dedicated a whole line of pencils to the JMT:
http://www.thefinerpoint.net/blog//palomino-blackwing-volume-211-limited-edition-pencil
Dec 1, 2015 at 10:18 pm #3368203Nick would be happy to see this. Probably not happy about the included map.
Dec 1, 2015 at 11:34 pm #3368211I went to the UW Bookstore the other day with finding a good mechanical pencil in mind and came back with the Pentel Click PD279. It has a non-slip grip with click lead feed, 0.9mm lead, pocket clip, twist eraser feed, multiple leads storage, all for $2.99. 13.1 grams!
I doubt it has much effect on bears, but can frighten corrupt politicians and demagogues in the right hands.
Dec 2, 2015 at 4:01 am #3368228I admonish all to forgo the decadence and depravity of a mechanical pencil. If a regular ol’ wood pencil was good enough for the cosmonauts then it’s good enough for us! Dag nabbit!
This does however lead to another problem, to whit: How should we pack our pencils?!? Clearly these are delicate instruments and the points must be protected, after all if one is constantly re-sharpening broken tips then you will have to carry two pencils. Equally clearly, a full-sized pencil case would be far too heavy. So is there an off-the-shelf pencil tip solution? Or am I forced into the realms of MYOG?
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