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    Justin Baker
    BPL Member

    @justin_baker

    Locale: Santa Rosa, CA

    Next year I plan on hiking the John Muir Trail with more or less the same material and technology limitations someone would have in the mid to late 1800's. I'm not trying to do a period thing to specifically look like some 1800's explorer, just doing my own thing here. I have not heard of anyone doing this before.
    Right now I am just brainstorming what gear I would bring.

    Clothing would be:
    cotton long sleeve for hot weather
    wool shirt
    wool long underwear
    cotton shorts or cotton pants.
    2x wool sweaters for insulation
    canvas? hat
    Not sure what I would use to block the wind.

    Pack would be something by alder stream.

    Shelter and rain gear would be a waxed canvas poncho.

    Sleeping gear would probably be a couple wool blankets, I would need to experiment with how many "pounds" of wool blanket required. There aren't really any options for ground insulation here.

    Cook gear would just be a simple tin alcohol stove and small pot. And then there is the huge challenge of correct food.

    Any thoughts? I know this will be a heavy pack, but there are probably non UL people who have done the trail with heavier packs and modern gear.

    #1898960
    R K
    Spectator

    @oiboyroi

    Locale: South West US

    Interesting idea, however, a couple of things come to mind. What about food storage? Bear cans weren't required back then. What about water treatment? If you have to boil all your it could be time/weight prohibative.

    Also, I think most mountain travelers back then had a horse or donkey or goat to carry their gear.

    #1898961
    Ken Thompson
    BPL Member

    @here

    Locale: Right there

    Cool idea. What about footwear? Hob nail boots?

    #1898970
    Justin Baker
    BPL Member

    @justin_baker

    Locale: Santa Rosa, CA

    Ken, that's why I said "more or less". I like minimalist shoes, so I could either go with some kind of moccasin or go with some all leather vivobarefoot ra's or gobis. Maybe that would be cheating, I wonder if someone out there in that time period had rubber soled shoes. If I put myself in a stiff shoe I would probably want to quit after the first mile. Does anyone even make those leather nail boots anymore?

    I probably would not treat my water. I didn't think of a bear can, I guess that would be an unavoidable exception.

    They probably did have horses and donkeys, but I now have the benefit of resupply points.

    #1898986
    Ken Thompson
    BPL Member

    @here

    Locale: Right there

    Totally doable.

    #1898993
    Link .
    BPL Member

    @annapurna

    You might like this site of Bronze's expedition log,He did the PCT this way.It gives his route,gear,clothing,food,authenticity,ect.

    http://www.manandmule.com/

    http://www.manandmule.com/blog/

    #1899007
    Bob Shaver
    BPL Member

    @rshaver

    Locale: West

    wind and water proof: Ventile cotton anorak, or waxed cotton
    for footwear, check out a photo of John Muir's boots
    for pack, how about a Trapper Nelson? (early 20th century)
    Also needed: 44 or 45 revolver
    cotton bedroll
    metal or canvas canteen
    canned goods
    fry pan

    #1899216
    Angelo R.
    Spectator

    @zalmen_mlotek

    Locale: Northwest CT

    Read up on Nessmuk and his gear – He did things pretty lightweight for the time period.

    Light – Candle Lantern. I doubt you will want to use kerosene.

    Footwear – I think a pair of mocs or mukluks would do the trick. If not, just use a classic pair of leather mountaineering boots (i.e. Limmer).

    #1899342
    Justin Baker
    BPL Member

    @justin_baker

    Locale: Santa Rosa, CA

    I know all about Nessmuck lol. On Bushcraft USA, the main site I post on, he gets mentioned A LOT. He inadvertently generated a whole line of "nessmuck" style knives. I also love Ross's blog!
    My plan was to not use any kind of light. Just go to sleep as the sun goes down or use campfire light.

    #1899362
    Ken Helwig
    BPL Member

    @kennyhel77

    Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA

    and hike the original JMT too….Center Basin over Junction Pass, then over Shepherd Pass and on to Whitney??

    #1899364
    Nick Brown
    Member

    @ojsglove

    Locale: Highland Park

    I have a pair of Arrow moccasins. They are fantastic. The double sole is very thick and super durable. It provides good rigidity while maintaining a similar ground feel to Merrel barefoot shoes. Wide toe box too. Apparently, the Louis and Clark expedition members had to replace the soles of their mocs every other day. I don't think you would be having to do than that.

    I also read on the Liberty Rifles blog many accounts of the Civil War soldiers using rubber blankets either as blankets or ground cloths. The blog has very detailed information regarding shelters and sleep systems or the lack there of. Interesting reading. I think you can acquire very thin rubber on a roll from Home Depot, in Roofing?

    Waxed canvas is not breathable. I have a Filson waxed hat that is great but way too hot for even moderate exertion. Just thought I'd mention it.

    Sounds like a great trip. Good luck and enjoy!

    #1899365
    Hiking Malto
    BPL Member

    @gg-man

    What exactly was the 1800's route? Maybe the Sierra High Route would be a bit more authentic. If you don't have Roper's book you may be interested in getting it. He has a good section at the beginning about the early Asierra explorers.

    #1899382
    Bob Gross
    BPL Member

    @b-g-2-2

    Locale: Silicon Valley

    In the 1800's, there was no John Muir Trail, nor was there any Sierra High Route. Theodore Solomons figured out the early routes. When the JMT was first built in the early part of the twentieth century, it went over Junction Pass. When Forester Pass was built, the trail went over it.

    In the 1860's, the Brewer Party did some of the earliest recorded exploration of this area. They went from Mount Brewer, named after the leader, to Mount Tyndall and back. However, that is rough country, and if you are going against the grain, you better eat your Wheaties.

    –B.G.–

    #1899403
    Justin Baker
    BPL Member

    @justin_baker

    Locale: Santa Rosa, CA

    I know about waxed canvas not being breathable. But in cold rain, your sweat is probably better than getting constantly splashed by cold stuff! The hat would not be waxed and would not be worn in the rain (only need it for sun protection).

    #1899405
    Link .
    BPL Member

    @annapurna

    What about Bronze's blog,did you look at that.He gives food ideas and links to what helped him in his decision making for authenticity.Not that you need to use everything he says but there are some good resources.

    http://www.manandmule.com/references/

    #1899493
    j lan
    Member

    @justaddfuel

    Locale: MN

    This book has everything you need to know!

    http://amzn.com/0870495569

    Kephart had 20 pound pack weight all the way back then.

    #1899523
    Geoffrey Lehmann
    BPL Member

    @yipper

    Locale: deep south

    Captain Randolph Marcy's "The Prairie Traveler"

    http://www.kancoll.org/books/marcy/index.html

    geoff

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