alcohol stoves at philmont?

[john king]

I'm taking a crew to the Double H high adventure base, which is run by Philmont, in July and am considering taking two white box alcohol stoves vs. a canister stove. Are alcohol stoves allowed at Philmont?

[Mack Regan]

I don't believe they are. I went to Philmont last summer and we just brought 2 whisperlite stoves and a bunch of canisters. We used about 6 canisters in the 12 days. Everyone carried 2 canisters. The food was fine and it was easy to work.

I'd go with the canister.

[john king]

Thanks for the advice. I had been in 2005 and used canisters then. Will go that route again this year.

[Phil Barton]

John, I'm less certain about Double H. Are there backcountry commissaries there? At Philmont you resupply every 3-4 days. There's a small trading post at each commissary. We found isopropane fuel canisters available there.

For our 2 crews of 9, each used just over 3 canisters running 2 Windpro stoves for the entire Philmont trek. Our Venturing Crew will do the same this year.

Even if you don't resupply with food at Double H canister stoves seem to be a great solution for Scouts and cooking in large groups. Have a blast at Double H.

[John Larson]

bye bye

[Greg Mihalik]

Carefull everybody… c a r e f u l l ……

Deep Breath
Deep Breath

maybe wait an hour or so….

[Matt Lutz]

@Greg – good words.

[Ashley Brown]

Too funny.

[Boozer]

huh? what? wow.

[Greg Mihalik]

I would like to personally commend the hundreds of members who have shown admiral restraint over the past few hours.

Keep up the good work.

[Thomas Burns]

When I read the post in question, I imbibed a bit of stove fuel (I like Everclear), and I felt much better. :vD

Stargazer

P. S. Please do not try this trick with white gas.

[John Davis]

Doesn't alcohol evaporate when in noisy cannisters? They are like small fish – hey have gills through which they can see….

[BlackHatGuy]

You shouldn't waste your time with ANY lightweight stove. Yeah, they're light and all, but you can't heat four pots at once AND bake at the same time. I took a HomeEc course in high school years ago. We tried them all. GE is the best. With the light inside so you can see what's baking. That's what I'd take. And a really, really big battery….

[todd]

That's interesting :)

RELUCTANTLY biting my tongue……
Must…not….comment…just…leave…it…
alone…

[Bruce Tolley]

Back to the original question.

Our ranger during our 2007 Trek used an alcohol pepsi can stove.

I do not think Philmont prevents anyone from using whatever stove they choose.

What Philmont controls is the fuel they resupply and the types of foods available to cook and therefore the cooking times and quantity of fuel needed.

You would have to do the math so see which was the better tradeoff, carrying alcohol for your entire trek vs resupplying with white case or isobutane canisters at the commissaries. And, as the earlier post noted, The Double H Ranch is not Philmont. The treks are shorter (7 days) and there are probably no backcountry commissaries that sell fuel.

[Jim Colten]

Fully realizing that it's a radical suggestion, I still have to suggest that since it hasn't (yet) been definitively answered here perhaps the O.P. could submit the question to Philmont H.Q. and share the response.

Our troop's experience has been that they DO respond … maybe not in hours, but with nine months b4 the trek there's little rush.

[Dean F.]

Actually the OP was back in May. The white gas fanboy resurrected the thread- apparently just to annoy us. :o) The Philmont trip in question has probably been and gone already…

[Greg Mihalik]

Deep Breath
Deep Breath….

[John Larson]

I can't PM you privately because you do not have an email address registered, so this will have to be public.
BPL tries very hard to maintain a friendly environment in the Forums, especially in channels such as these Boy Scout ones. (We are a bit more tolerant in the Chaff channel.)

I am becoming a bit concerned at the very aggressive and abrasive nature of the postings you have made in a number of our channels. I am sure you could phrase them in a more friendly manner? Please.

Cheers
Roger Caffin
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[Thomas Burns]

Sigh.

How about, stop posting and start hiking? ;-)

Or in my case, stop posting and get back to work. ;vD

With great love and respect,

Stargazer

[BlackHatGuy]

"How about, stop posting and start hiking? ;-)

Or in my case, stop posting and get back to work. ;vD"

But what if I'm posting from my iPhone on the trail! :-)

[Michael Ray]

FYI for those who see this thread in the future, the 2010 GSS no longer allows "homemade" alcohol stoves and alcohol isn't a recommended fuel. Sigh.

[Curtis Ware]

Where can the 2010 GSS be found? I just got off scouting.org and their version is still 2007.

Thanks in advance.

Curt

[Sarah Kuhn]

Here is a link to the reference to alcohol stoves.
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss07.aspx
It is a 12/2009 update to the 2007 version which when printed will be the 2010 version (or 2011 on the BSA time table…)
"Prohibited Chemical-Fueled Equipment—Equipment that is handcrafted, homemade, modified, or …."

[Doug Parker]

Very straightforward question: Are alcohol stoves prohibited at Philmont?

I understand that G2SS states no: modified, homemade, etc stoves. That is not my question. There are some manufactured, purpose built alcohol stoves on the market. I also understand that denatured alcohol is not a recomended fuel in the G2SS (but based on what I have read about the quality of Philmont's white gas, it could be clasified in this category as well). I also understand that Philmont does not supply alcohol. So back to my original question:

Are alcohol stoves prohibited at Philmont?

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