Ultralight Outfitters Beer Can Stove System for Esbit Fuel

[David Lewis]

Miguel: I will post photos once it’s all done (and plans once I get the time). I still want to add a bail and perhaps a cozy and MAYBE a primer pan (which could double as burner tray and soot cover for the can bottom if using esbit)… which would bring the total closer to 2.5 oz. I’m guessing… but still impressive. I hope to build the final version tonight.

I also spotted an aluminum tray last night that is made from a slightly heavier aluminum than the cookie sheets I’ve been using. I’m going to make a windscreen from that and see if it’s much heavier. The super light aluminum works fine… but I’d say it’s right on the edge of being about as light a gauge as you could possibly use. I’ll cross-post in the ‘make your own gear’ forum too.

[Joshua Mitchell]

Miguel,
I for one would be EXTREMELY interested in a link and / or translation of your take on his Ray-Mod on that sight. I can see some pictures but didn’t see anything on a wood burner… of course, I can’t read japanese…

[Miguel Arboleda]

Joshua, if you scroll down a little past halfway, the red Coca Cola can stove is the wood gassifier stove based on Ray Garlington’s stove. I son’t have time to translate everything, but basically he just talks about how a wood gassifier downdraft stove works and how he was not able to get below his target of at least 10 grams with this iteration of the stove. He compares it to traditional wood burning stoves that everyone used to use in Japan before methane became a household utility.

It’s too bad everyone can’t easily read this site; he obviously loves what he is doing and is having a blast doing it (some of his sidenotes are hilarious). Amd it’s just great where he gets his ideas from, like the Russian Dolls fitting-inside-one-another stove. There’s so much to look at though, it’s hard to know where to start…

[Patti Binder]

Tried several translator websites, but this is the only one that could bust this site.

http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/Translate

It’s still very hard to read. Reminds me of the engligh instructions for my Japanese sewing machine.

[Patti Binder]

Tried several translator websites, but this is the only one that could bust this site.

http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/Translate

It’s still very hard to read. Reminds me of the engligh instructions for my Japanese sewing machine.

[D G]

The mini bull designs “blog” has recently had some Heineken can stuff in it: Minibull Blog that might be of interest given the recent discussions.

It looks like one of those Livestrong or similar wrist bands works on the can for a lip guard.

The “sub atomic” stove down a ways looks pretty good for the heineken or fosters can since it has a small concentrated flame.

[Bill Fornshell]

Daniel, I had come to the same conclusion about the wrist bands a few days ago and sent for some samples. I got them today and they will work. They are not as wide and a little thicker but as you can see in the pictures they work on my Fosters Can. I may use 2 at a time to make them wider. The white band is the one that came with my Ultralight Outfitters Stove.

If you buy them blank they are $2.50 for 1 or how ever many you want. If you want something written on them you have to buy 20 or more but the $2.50 price is the same. Ryan should sell them with something on them like “SuperUltraLite” – you can only have 14 characters including spaces. They come in size medium and large. I have some of both sizes. The blue one on the can is a large.

[Anonymous]

Hello,
Bill Fornshell and All.

I am JSB,and posted from JAPAN.
I’d like alcohol stove too.

Several years ago, I found the site of the Pepsi can stove. And it got interested. And the alcoholic stove of various forms is made himself or it has improved.
Many photographs are carried and it is trying to become intelligible hard.
for example,
http://homepage1.nifty.com/jsb/stovecorner/konro15.files/takos7d.jpg
It’s carrries 400cc water boiled.
and made of aluminium can,just only 7g with 3 legs.

However, English cannot be used well.
As much as possible, I cooperate so that he can understand.
ps
This text borrows the help of translation of an @nifty site.

[Anonymous]

cyclone combuntion wood tarbo stove

http://homepage1.nifty.com/jsb/stovecorner/konro16.htm

[Bill Fornshell]

Hello JSB. Welcome to this web site.

Many of us have looked at your web site for stoves. I have spent many hours studing the pictures of your stoves and looking at your web site thinking about how you made the stoves. The ideas are very clever, great. Some of us want to try and make some stoves like yours.

We/I can help you with the English and you can help us with the Japanese.

JSB first web site

JSB second web site

JSB Homepage

[Joshua Mitchell]

JSB – Welcome! Your designs definitely look interesting. I’m glad you made your way here.

Bill – Are those armbands silicone-rubber? If so, depending on the tension, one could likely drop a couple around the main body of the can as a “cozy/grip-area”, it would likely be a tad heavier than the bail, but would likely increase the “controlability” of using/pouring from the can. Silicone rubber can handle fairly high temps, and as long as the flame is concentrated on the bottom of the can, the maximum temp the bands will see would be 212 degrees F.

[Yukio Yamakawa]

Thank you for welcoming.
A photograph cannot be UP(ed) yet. The method is not known. It tries to understand hard.

「175500AA.AVI」

JSBJSB@JSB

[Sunny Waller]

I have never had any luck using Esbit fuel. I could never get water to boil and I hate the soot. My stove kit came this week and I found the can opener at Walgreens in Atlanta. I stuck my Fosters beer can in the freezer for 20 min then made my stove. I did not pop the top..I bent it up slightly to put a small vent hole in it and used this for my top. Then I filled it up with 24oz of water and lit the Esbit tab. WOW. Boiling water on less than 1 tab. I belive the design of this stove with its tall windscreen gets the maximum output from the fuel tab. Soot is not a problem..only the very bottom of the beer can gets dirty. When you are done cooking you slide the fuel tray up (with a stick or tent peg) into the bottom of the beer can. This puts out the Esbitt tab..stores it there for future use and effectivly covers up sooty part of the pot. My only problem is figuring out the best way to grab the hot pot if I need to pour the boiling water into something else. I highly reccomend reading the tips on the Ultralight Outfitters website. It has great pictures :)

[Bill Fornshell]

Joshua: Yes, the armbands are “100% silicone-rubber”. They stretch enough to go around the body of the can. I just put one of the large size on my Heineken can and it went on easy. They weigh 0.22oz each. I think neoprene might be a little lighter. I will make a 1″ neoprene band later and see how much it weights.

Sunny: Take a look at the wire (bail/handle) on my Fosters can pictures. This might be something for you to think about adding to your can. It makes lifting the hot can off the stove easy.

[Joshua Mitchell]

Bill,
I’d really appreciate a comparison of the weight difference between the silicone and the neoprene options for “holder/cozy” when you get around to it.

I realize that the Neoprene will likely be less weight, but sewing and such is not currently in my repetoire. However, making a henie pot with a silicone rubber “cozy” is right up my alley as it’s premade.

Thanks!

Also, the nice thing about those bands are that they are reusable. I found a product called extreme tape (pure silicone) that would do the same thing, but it’s thinner, more expensive, and permanently sticks to the can.

[paul johnson]

Any chance of multi-use here?

What about trying a combo of a folded bandana/microfiber towel & a Poss’mDown Glove (or equivalent)? Glove alone???

If all you want to do is pour, then this might slow down the heat transfer sufficiently to accomplish this task (e.g. rehydrating food in an O.P. Aloksak already situated in a “sack” style cozy).

If you want to drink from the Foster’s Can, then it’s too hot already. By the time it’s cool enough to sip, perhaps the same bandana/glove combo (or just the glove alone) might be sufficient.

Any thoughts on these thoughts?

[Bill Fornshell]

Joshua: I hand sew the cozy so it only takes a needle and some thread. Hand sewing is easy, you should try it.

I will make a neoprene band as soon as I send this and weigh it.

The first one I made is 2-1/8″ wide so I
will make this one 1″ wide.

One thing I have discovered is that the Heinnken cozy being just a little bigger than the Fosters can lets me lift the Fosters can off the stove and set it into the Heinken cozy. I can then slid the cozy up the Fosters can a bit if I want to and pick it up by hand.

[Bill Fornshell]

Joshua:
Neoprene 1″ Cozy Band
– Total time to make: 10 minutes max.
– weight of the 1″ neoprene band is 0.15oz.

Silicone Name Bands
– Large size weight is 0.22oz.

[Sunny Waller]

hey whats the name of your helper??

[Bill Fornshell]

Hi,
Sunny asked “hey whats the name of your helper??”

Her name is Cinnamon, she is one of four kittens I was able to get away from a stray Mama when they were about 4 weeks old. I have played Mama and Daddy to them for the last 4 months. I have tried to catch the Mama to get her fixed. She is to wild to let me get that close to her. I have been able to get her kittens from the last two litters and they are fixed. These four will get fixed in about another month. I have two other cats that stay in the house over night and during the day when they want to. One is 18 years old and the other is about 1.5 years old. The young one is a real sweety that was thrown out of a car by a ***** one night while I was walking near my house. He was about 6 weeks old at the time. I named him Baxter. He and the 4 kittens have so much fun playing. He is like there big brother. I don’t think anything else has ever made me laugh so hard as I do watching them play.

Together they are always testing my gear for durability.

[David Lewis]

For lifting a hot pot, the bicycle spoke bail is brilliant. A 15 gauge stainless spoke will weigh 5-6 grams. This is all I will be using on my stove since I don’t drink hot beverages anyway… so I don’t think I need a cozy.

[jacob thompson]

I think for this one I’m going to contact Tinny from Minibull and see if I can get him to fashion me up a heineken can with the nice handle. I’m willing to make that weight sacrafice. I drink a little tea from time to time on the trail but I think the stability of the handle is the main point that I like. I will also make a semi cozy for the pot. I think some velcro tabs will work fine for putting the cozy on.

[David Lewis]

his handles are pretty cool… the pop rivet part at the top is easy for anyone to do… but I want to know how he gets solder on the bottom part without melting the can.

I also found that with my spoke bail… when it’s folded down it can kind of double as a handle since i let it stick out about 3/4″ from one side of the can… i’d have to post photos probably to make this clear. I also like the bail because if I ever lost my fuel or ran out or whatever… I could easily hang the pot over a cook fire. Plus I like that if folds down out of the way for packing.

I’ll post photos of all this maybe this weekend if I get a chance. The final stove… with pot, lid, windscreen/support, bail, stove (mogo firefly) and rubber band (for keeping the lid on when packing… could double as lip guard for sipping tea) is 2.1 oz (61 grams). No cozy. No primer pan. And if I want to use esbit, I figure I can just flip the firefly over and use that as a burning platform. The only thing I’m not crazy about with the design is that I had to make a 2 piece windscreen since I couldn’t find cookie sheets big enough for a 1 peice. Then again, I figured that when there is no wind, I can leave the small back peice out to let the stove breathe more.

[John austin]

I can send you fosters 24 oz cans for the shipping fee. I have tons of them and I also can supply them with handles and a lid. to see the product go to http://www.minibulldesign.com and click on the adventure site.

[John austin]

The reason that this works so well on the jetboil is it is welded to the pot, not just setting un it. it must be bonded to the pot to transfer the heat. this is why it doesn,t work that well for you

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