"Though I guess it really makes no difference to the discussion. If I'm being honest, I'm in the "you don't need a footprint for your tent" crowd. Easy enough to dab some SilNet on any pinholes, which is worth the extra cost to me to not have to fuss with a groundcloth every night." I might feel the same if I was using a less expensive tent with a heavier duty floor. But in the past, I've found that pinholes are typically detected after waking up with water inside the tent, not my preferred way to start the day. The other issue with the Skyscape X is that the floor is very light Cuben, and if water accumulates under the floor hydrostatic pressure will force it up through the floor into the tent. I've had that happen twice during a heavy storm when I didn't tuck the polycryo far enough back under the edge of the floor and water accumulated between it and the tent floor. With a floorless mid that could be a real issue under the right conditions if you didn't have some protection, in your case a bivy, which I'll wager weighs more than my 1.5 oz cut down polycryo ground sheet. "Doubly pointless to get bent about even that, though, since I use a floorless mid for just about everything nowadays. So I sort of think of my bivy as the groundsheet, and why put a groundsheet under a groundsheet?" See above for my take on the weight trade off between a bivy and a polycryo ground sheet. But, hey, I hate debating the finer points of gear. If we're going to argue, let's go over to CHAFF and duke it out over Ukraine. ;0)) "Of course, I'm also not from the northwest where miracles like water falling from the sky are a common occurrence. Though perhaps not this year. :)
