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Wouldn’t this treatment of DCF bias cause issues on the Zpacks Plex Solo?


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    YoPrawn
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    @johan-river

    Locale: Cascadia

    I have the Altaplex and it has what appears to be good control over the bias of the DCF, so as to not stretch out the fibers and laminate too much.

    Looking at a photo of the Plex Solo, I was shocked to see that they used one continuous sheet for the entire back of the shelter. There are no seams or even tape along the lines going from the two back corners to the peak.

    I’m not expert, at anything, but I would assume that in the long run, those corners are likely to be the first part of the shelter to fail.

    https://i.imgur.com/pj4MovG.jpeg

    #3767107
    Sam Farrington
    BPL Member

    @scfhome

    Locale: Chocorua NH, USA

    Guess much would depend on whether the canopy is .55 or .75.  Still, for a nonelastic material would expect reinforcement at the corners because that is where the force from the pullouts is greatest, as you indicated.  If they answer inquiries, you might let them know your concern and see what they have to say.

    #3767122
    Brad W
    BPL Member

    @rocko99

    I see reinforcement on that corner. Whether it’s sufficient I don’t know.

    #3767124
    Diane “Piper” Soini
    BPL Member

    @sbhikes

    Locale: Santa Barbara

    Yeah there appears to be a circular patch at the corner.

    #3767248
    Dan @ Durston Gear
    BPL Member

    @dandydan

    Locale: Canadian Rockies

    That does have a main stress line (from the corner to the peak) that is running diagonally across the DCF (or “on the bias”). There is a patch at the corner but the stress runs in a straight line across the panel between the two fixed points (corner, peak) so the stress runs across a long unreinforced span where it is diagonal to the fibers.

    Having stress running diagonally across DCF like this is the type of thing that does slowly deform and stretch apart the material (leading to eventual delam and pinholes). Most DCF shelter designs avoid this, but my guess is that it is present here as a trade off between weight and durability. The material is on a vulnerable orientation and not reinforced with DCF backed tape across the span, but that also is partly how they can get this so light.

    #3767251
    Brad W
    BPL Member

    @rocko99

    So, for us Plex Solo users-to get as many miles out of it-don’t do a super taught pitch when not needed-little to no wind?

    #3767252
    Dan @ Durston Gear
    BPL Member

    @dandydan

    Locale: Canadian Rockies

    For a longer life I would add DCF backed tape across that span:
    https://zpacks.com/products/54-tape-strip

    It’s only about 2-3 grams and would look professional if you got the same color because it’s the same thing most tent companies would add here automatically. It’s important to reinforce the length of the span and not just the corner because the stress is present across the span so if you only reinforce up to a point then it’ll just move the failure point up to whereever you stop.

    It’s all about how long you want the shelter to last. If the goal is just a few years or one thru hike then you can probably just leave it, but if you want it to last a long time I’d reinforce the span. Reducing tension is another option but you don’t really want to always have to pitch it a bit loose, and also the deformation isn’t so much gradually adding up, as it something that occurs more suddenly when you get into severe conditions. So pitching it loose but then tightening it up for storms isn’t going to help much unless you never get storms.

    DCF canopy can last a really long time, but historically quite a few of the popular models haven’t been designed with that in mind which has created the widespread idea that DCF has a shorter lifespan. If a canopy is designed so that it doesn’t deform/delam there’s no reason you can’t get 300-500 nights like a woven tent.

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