Winter footwear dilemma

[Garrett]

I’ve been reading up A LOT on winter footwear, but I can’t seem to find the perfect setup for my temperature setting. I’d like to stick with my uninsulated Keen Targhee boots, but not sure how to get down to 5F with them. Here is what I have found so far…

0F (-18C) and below: Liner, VBL, thick wool, boot/shoe, insulated bootie, 40below overboot

0F(-18C) to 15F (-10C): Liner, VBL, Insulated boots <— The problem

15F+ (-10C+) : Liner, think wool, boot/shoe (gtx)

The problem that I have is where temperatures dip into the 0-15F range. Temperatures can be anywhere from 0F to 40F, so bringing along insulated boots would not be ideal right?

[Mark Verber]

It’s been a few years since I did multi-day back country at those temps, but my memory (and my spreadsheet) tell me that I was happy using insulated vapor barrier socks + uninsulated boots or trail runners.  model I used from rbhdesigns doesn’t seem to be made anymore, but I am guessing the https://www.rbhdesigns.com/products/vaprthrm-hi-rise-insulated-sock might do the trick.  Caveat is that I seem to run warmer than many people.

[Adam G]

Try a thicker toe VBL like a neoprene toe cover. I’ve never used them, but my friend swears by them. If all else fails, use toe warmers. It’s not cheating. Really.

[Garrett]

Both of those seem like viable options. I’ve also seen people use the 40 below simple slipper with tyvek slip covers, but…… : /

[Eric Blumensaadt]

OK, “VBL” can mean anything from plastic bread bags to coated ripstop nylon to 3 mm neoprene divers socks.

I have use the 3 mm closed cell neoprene foam divers’ socks for the past 20 years with great success. Currently I’m using US Divers brand neoprene VBL socks because they are shaped (and labeled) for Left and Right feet and are factory seam sealed.

3 mm neoprene divers socks are best when worn with a thin polyester or polypropylene liner sock. NO other sock is required. This combo should easily fit in a 3 season hiking boot.

Knee high GTX gaiters add about 15 F. of warmth. Combined with the divers socks VBLs and a decent Gore Tex or other WPB lined but uninsulated boot you should be able to go to 10 F. while moving.

As you mentioned, insulated overboots will ad much more warmth.

Finally, FELT PACS like Sorel makes will be the warmest but must be worn with a VBL to retain the insulative value of the felt liner. There is no exception to this unless you are only staying outdoors a few hours and returning to a warm house where the liners can be removed and dried.

[Garrett]

That looks like a pretty reasonable solution. Thanks Eric

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