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    Sebastian O
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    @loboseb

    Hi all,

    I want to plan a combo of driving, day hiking, and backpacking plus some fun stuff like mtn bike, raft, and whatever other fun desert activities and sure, Im down to stay in fun little SW towns in a motel or whatever. I dont have to be camping every night.

    Just me, 44, in very good shape, experience with backpacking, but like to do well marked trails for this. Im thinking the whole trip as a loop definitely including Grand Canyon, Moab, and I havent decided on what else thats in AZ and Utah.

    Want to know which SW parks are not too hard and must spend a 1-3 of nights and do a backpack loop? GC Rim To Rim? Maybe for backpacking portion I can book with a guided group thing…..

    Which ones are pretty much a day hike only?

    Thank you

     

    #3437896
    Sebastian O
    BPL Member

    @loboseb

    By the way, I am Googling a bunch of itineraries for ideas. Really, it boils down to figuring out which parks are the must backpack and overnight 1-3 nights inside vs the day hike ones. :)

    #3437933
    Link .
    BPL Member

    @annapurna

    . STEVE EVANS has a nice trip report page with a number of them in the southwest, they include videos and gear lists

    #3455231
    Sebastian O
    BPL Member

    @loboseb

    Reviving this as I need to actually finalize planning. I think I wanna do a packaged guided Grand Canyon backpacking 3-4 day with an outdoor outfitter. After that, I must figure out what to hit in UTAH which I am not sure

    For Grand Canyon, what are your opinions on: North vs South vs rim to rim?

    #3455384
    Angie Russell
    BPL Member

    @russelltown

    What time of the year are you planning to do this trip?

    #3455430
    Sebastian O
    BPL Member

    @loboseb

    Im going in May, 7-9 days. I think South Rim for a first visit is the way to go from what i have been reading. Im reading nice things about Phantom Ranch but the packages im seeing are pricey for that.

    On the other hand, after Grand Canyon I was wanting to do some UTAH but not necessarily backpacking…more like day hiking different spots. So for UTAH, it seems Bryce and Zion are the top must do’s if one must choose a couple only?

    At the same time, I wonder if a weekend of backpacking in one of the UTAH spots is massively epic? Maybe even better than Grand Canyon?

    In a nutshell, between Grand Canyon South Rim or other worthwhile spot vs UTAH must do’s….which one to backpack for 2-4 days and which ones are just fine to day hike? make sense? :)

     

    #3455453
    Angie Russell
    BPL Member

    @russelltown

    May is a great time of year to visit this area. Zion is beautiful and May will be perfect for car camping and day hiking there. Cold nights and warm days. I’ve done the Narrows top-to-bottom overnight backpacking trip and it was amazing. But the water levels may not allow this in May (I did it in late September). Depending on the river levels, you could also possibly day hike up the Narrows and see the best parts (be ready for crowds). There are outfitters in town that can rent you gear (dry boots/pants) for this….highly recommended. Angels Landing is another iconic day hike there. Bryce isn’t too far from Zion (a couple of hours) and is a beautiful place for day hiking. It is at higher elevation and will be colder at night….you might want to check the average overnight lows for May and make sure you have a warm enough sleeping bag. Then from Bryce, you could go to Page, AZ  (possibly Escalante before that?) and check out Antelope Canyon and Horseshoe Bend. From Page, enter the east side of Grand Canyon National Park (South Rim). The rim is higher elevation and cool at night. Backpacking in GC is amazing and the hike down to Phantom Ranch (down on South Kaibab trail and up on Bright Angel trail) should be on everyone’s bucket list. No need for a guide. These main trails are easy to follow, but make sure you are researched and prepared. The inner canyon will be pretty hot in May, and this is a very strenuous hike, one that you should definitely train for. If you decide to do it, you can always try to get a backcountry permit and camp at Bright Angel Campground (next to Phantom Ranch). I’d try for 2 nights there, or 1 night there and 1 at Indian Garden, to split up the hike out of the Canyon. You can hire a mule duffel service to haul your camping gear down to the river (and back up) for a fee.  From Grand Canyon, I recommend a trip to Sedona. There is a lot to see and do there. There is also camping and Sedona lies at a lower (warmer) elevation.

    If you hit all of these areas, and don’t do any backpacking, I’d spread them out something like this:

    Zion 2-3 days

    Bryce 1 full day

    **Escalante 1-2 days?

    Page 2 days

    Grand Canyon 1 day (more if backpacking of course)

    Sedona 1-2 days

    **Someone else could tell you more about Escalante….it would probably be good for a day or two between Bryce and Page, but I’ve never been there and can’t give you much advice. I’ve been wanting to check out Peekaboo and Spooky Canyons in that area…probably lots more there that I don’t know about.

    No matter what you decide, if you need permits for backpacking or campsite reservations in a national park, you need to work on getting those ASAP. These places are very difficult to book at the last minute…and you may be too late to get some of the more popular reservations. You’ve picked a fantastic area and a good time of year. Enjoy!

    #3455516
    Sebastian O
    BPL Member

    @loboseb

    Thank you Angie!  Much appreciated.

    I found a package that does base camping for 6 days at Zion, Bryce and Escalante.

    How much of a must is MOAB?

    #3455526
    Angie Russell
    BPL Member

    @russelltown

    I’ve been to them all but did Moab as a separate trip, and even then I didn’t see Canyonlands NP (only Arches). I love all of these parks, but you might be happier spending a little more time in the others than driving all the way to Moab. I’m not really sure what the drive would be like because we hit Moab from the Colorado side. All of the desert parks are unique, but they still feel a little like “more of the same.” So, if it were me, I’d spend more time hiking and soaking it in and save myself the drive. Others may disagree and I wouldn’t blame them because Moab is pretty great.

     

    #3455529
    Angie Russell
    BPL Member

    @russelltown

    You mentioned mountain biking in your original post. I know Moab is a mtn biking town, so there’s that. There is also a lot of mtn biking in Sedona. And jeep tours are really popular in both of these spots, too. We rented a jeep in Sedona and had a blast on the Broken Arrow trail.

    #3455668
    Sebastian O
    BPL Member

    @loboseb

    I think 7-9 days is my limit so Im not gonna go big and try to do a mega SW thing.

    Is Zion/Bryce/Escalante more “lunar” “surreal” than Grand Canyon? Im looking for jaw dropping colors and landscapes. :)

     

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