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Milkweed 2.0: An insulation to rule them all?
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Erica R.
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Mar 27, 2021 at 9:15 am #3706503
(long time reader, first time poster)
Some will have heard of this insulation, its been around for quite awhile now. Milkweed however has been disregarded as a loose fill down replacement, as it has en tendency to breakup, migrate and easily loose its fill power with use. Some experiments were made to use it as a batting, like primaloft, with diferent natural fiber blends. All in all, its been proven to be quite inneficient in the past.
There is a new company in Quebec, Eko-terre, who is working on a new and improved version of a fully natural batting type insulation. They call it Vegeto. I just talked to the director of the Vegeto division to get some specs. They are quite suprising. (btw, i dont work for them, I develop custom-made outdoor clothing in QC and gained interest in the product).
Now, Vegeto isint 100% milkweed. It a blend of 20% Milkweed, 20% Kapok, and 60 % of PLA hollow fibers.
They claim to have, for a sq. meter of 100g insulation, a CLO of 2.4 (or 4.2)
*I got the call while at a climbing gym, so i didint manage to take notes. So my memory is failing me. My memory sais that the clo was of 4.2, but it seems like alot so i guess its 2.4. If anywone could convert these numbers to osy, that would help.
They also did comparative compression and wash testing of Vegeto compared to PL gold, climashield and other leading synthetics which i forgot the name. Vegeto tested to be more durable than all or most, it barely lost any thickness.
This insulation might not replace High FP down, but it sure could replace synthetics imo. What are your thoughts? Im recieving a sample sooner or later, if someone wants to run some independent tests i can ship you a piece.
*I will be calling them next week. if you want more precise specs let me know!
Mar 27, 2021 at 9:33 am #3706506thanks
I just googled PLA
a plant derived plastic
it’s biodegradable at 140F but not in the regular environment, like the ocean
Mar 27, 2021 at 9:37 am #3706507Their PLA is made from corn. Indeed its not the best biodergadable material, just like your zipper and UL nylon face fabric.
I guess the idea is to steer away from petrol based material. (Its also great for marketing!)
Mar 27, 2021 at 10:05 am #3706511yeah, it’s better than petroleum based plastic, could be carbon neutral
without marketing no one would buy it or know about it : )
Mar 27, 2021 at 10:36 am #3706513Pretty sure my car hit 140 F a few times in Texas (parked in the sun). Does the material weaken at say 120?
Mar 27, 2021 at 10:39 am #3706514..or marketing spin?
Tests will tell. Don’t count your eggs before they hatch..
All good sayings
Mar 27, 2021 at 10:51 am #3706517Pretty sure my car hit 140 F a few times in Texas (parked in the sun). Does the material weaken at say 120?
I also like to crank up the heat in my car in winter, hopefully the insulation lasts until i get to the trailhead!
..or marketing spin?
I doubt its just a marketing spin. Their goal is to achieve a “non synthetic, non-animal” insulation. The biobased plastic is necessary for structure. Just like some insulations use a mix of short staple fibers for insulative purposes and long fibers for durability. Hopefully it lives up to what they say.
Mar 27, 2021 at 10:56 am #3706518Hopefully it lives up to what they say.
Mar 27, 2021 at 11:28 am #3706522Always nice to have a selection of viable options.
Mar 27, 2021 at 2:29 pm #3706544A friend stuffed a pillow with cattail down (its what the PNW natives used in their sleeping bags). After a few warm nights, baby spiders hatched and filled the pillow.
Mar 27, 2021 at 10:37 pm #3706606For gm/m2 to oz/yd2: Use Google or multiply by 0.0295. Wish I had a dollar for every time.
Mar 28, 2021 at 8:12 am #3706648A friend stuffed a pillow with cattail down (its what the PNW natives used in their sleeping bags). After a few warm nights, baby spiders hatched and filled the pillow.
(shivers)
For gm/m2 to oz/yd2: Use Google or multiply by 0.0295. Wish I had a dollar for every time.
I tried using that logic, but it seemed too obvious to be the right way.
2.4clo/100g/m2 = 2.4clo/2.95oz/yrd2 = (2.4/2.95) 0.81clo/oz/yrd2
makes sense?
It falls around the same value as climashield apex
Mar 28, 2021 at 10:23 pm #3706725I want to know the clo value of baby spiders
Mar 30, 2021 at 5:46 am #3706947Kapok! We had a cheap life vest we carried for years. One time it got wet and sank.
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