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    Charles
    BPL Member

    @antopologuiste

    (long time reader, first time poster)

    Some will have heard of this insulation, its been around for quite awhile now. Milkweed however has been disregarded as a loose fill down replacement, as it has en tendency to breakup, migrate and easily loose its fill power with use. Some experiments were made to use it as a batting, like primaloft, with diferent natural fiber blends. All in all, its been proven to be quite inneficient in the past.

     

    There is a new company in Quebec, Eko-terre, who is working on a new and improved version of a fully natural batting type insulation. They call it Vegeto. I just talked to the director of the Vegeto division to get some specs. They are quite suprising. (btw, i dont work for them, I develop custom-made outdoor clothing in QC and gained interest in the product).

     

    Now, Vegeto isint 100% milkweed. It a blend of 20% Milkweed, 20% Kapok, and 60 % of PLA hollow fibers.

    They claim to have, for a sq. meter of 100g insulation, a CLO of 2.4 (or 4.2)

    *I got the call while at a climbing gym, so i didint manage to take notes. So my memory is failing me. My memory sais that the clo was of 4.2, but it seems like alot so i guess its 2.4. If anywone could convert these numbers to osy, that would help.

     

    They also did comparative compression and wash testing of Vegeto compared to PL gold, climashield and other leading synthetics which i forgot the name. Vegeto tested to be more durable than all or most, it barely lost any thickness.

     

    This insulation might not replace High FP down, but it sure could replace synthetics imo.  What are your thoughts? Im recieving a sample sooner or later, if someone wants to run some independent tests i can ship you a piece.

     

    *I will be calling them next week. if you want more precise specs let me know!

     

    #3706506
    Jerry Adams
    BPL Member

    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    thanks

    I just googled PLA

    a plant derived plastic

    it’s biodegradable at 140F but not in the regular environment, like the ocean

    #3706507
    Charles
    BPL Member

    @antopologuiste

    Their PLA is made from corn. Indeed its not the best biodergadable material, just like your zipper and UL nylon face fabric.

    I guess the idea is to steer away from petrol based material. (Its also great for marketing!)

    #3706511
    Jerry Adams
    BPL Member

    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    yeah, it’s better than petroleum based plastic, could be carbon neutral

    without marketing no one would buy it or know about it : )

    #3706513
    Luke Schmidt
    BPL Member

    @cameron

    Locale: Alaska

    Pretty sure my car hit 140 F a few times in Texas (parked in the sun). Does the material weaken at say 120?

     

    #3706514
    SIMULACRA
    BPL Member

    @simulacra

    Locale: Puget Sound

    ..or marketing spin?

    Tests will tell. Don’t count your eggs before they hatch..

    All good sayings

    #3706517
    Charles
    BPL Member

    @antopologuiste

    Pretty sure my car hit 140 F a few times in Texas (parked in the sun). Does the material weaken at say 120?

    I also like to crank up the heat in my car in winter, hopefully the insulation lasts until i get to the trailhead!

    ..or marketing spin?

    I doubt its just a marketing spin. Their goal is to achieve a “non synthetic, non-animal” insulation. The biobased plastic is necessary for structure. Just like some insulations use a mix of short staple fibers for insulative purposes and long fibers for durability. Hopefully it lives up to what they say.

    #3706518
    SIMULACRA
    BPL Member

    @simulacra

    Locale: Puget Sound

    Hopefully it lives up to what they say.

     

    #3706522
    Michael B
    BPL Member

    @mikebergy

    Always nice to have a selection of viable options.

     

    #3706544
    Dave @ Oware
    BPL Member

    @bivysack-com

    Locale: East Washington

    A friend stuffed a pillow with cattail down (its what the PNW natives used in their sleeping bags). After a few warm nights, baby spiders hatched and filled the pillow.

    #3706606
    Sam Farrington
    BPL Member

    @scfhome

    Locale: Chocorua NH, USA

    For gm/m2 to oz/yd2:  Use Google or multiply by 0.0295.  Wish I had a dollar for every time.

    #3706648
    Charles
    BPL Member

    @antopologuiste

    A friend stuffed a pillow with cattail down (its what the PNW natives used in their sleeping bags). After a few warm nights, baby spiders hatched and filled the pillow.

    (shivers)

    For gm/m2 to oz/yd2:  Use Google or multiply by 0.0295.  Wish I had a dollar for every time.

    I tried using that logic, but it seemed too obvious to be the right way.

    2.4clo/100g/m2 = 2.4clo/2.95oz/yrd2 = (2.4/2.95) 0.81clo/oz/yrd2

     

    makes sense?

    It falls around the same value as climashield apex

     

    #3706725
    Erik H
    BPL Member

    @telemonster

    Locale: pacific northwest

    I want to know the clo value of baby spiders

    #3706947
    Erica R
    BPL Member

    @erica_rcharter-net

    Kapok! We had a cheap life vest we carried for years. One time it got wet and sank.

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