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Mar 2, 2016 at 10:38 am #3386200
So this brings up something I have never thought about before. What does everyone keep in their poo kit?
Mar 2, 2016 at 12:04 pm #3386221I am liking this portable Bidet option.
Mathew – What kind of splash-back do you get using it? I could see this doubling as a backcountry showerhead (it would be a lot more efficient than just using a water bottle). I could also see rigging up some sort of skirt to protect the water bottle so you would not need a dedicated bidet bottle (although that might be a little to close for comfort).
Heath – My poo kit consists of an REI Snow stake and a 2 plastic baggies with TP (one clean, one dirty – which I keep in an outside mesh pocket). I also have hand sanitizer as a general use item.
My recommendation for anyone doing a short pack-it-all-out section would be to bring a couple Imodium pills. I don’t mind packing out TP when there are no great natural alternatives at hand, but walking around with a turd in my backpack is a bit much. This approach worked great when I did Whitney a couple of yeas back. If you need to last much more than 24 hours this is probably not the way to go.
Mar 2, 2016 at 12:22 pm #3386225I am PMing you Heath
Mar 2, 2016 at 12:30 pm #3386230A ziploc style mylar bag for packing out sounds great. A quick internet search reveals many options, but who to buy from? Can anyone vouch for a particular vendor? Thanks.
Mar 2, 2016 at 12:38 pm #3386232Alex,
I found these.
http://www.h2ofilters.com/zimybafor12g.htmlMar 2, 2016 at 1:02 pm #3386243@ Alex — for cheap/easy mylar bags, try looking in the supermarket at products that are packaged in mylar-type ziploc bags. I previously mentioned kid’s yogurt bites (in baby food section). Clearly label them with a Sharpie before you leave.
@ Heath — my poop kit contains:
- TP in a quantity reasonable for the length of trip (+ a “buffer” amount, just in case)
- Titanium trowel (Qiwiz’s The Big Dig)
- TINY hand sanitizer bottle
- Dried-out baby wipes (‘cuz ya never know when life might get kinda…ummmm…messy)
- Mylar yogurt bites bag containing Ziploc sandwich bag w/1 tsp of powdered bleach
Mar 2, 2016 at 1:07 pm #3386246Valerie,
Why didn’t I think of drying out baby wipes. Again we have an 11 month old so I have tons of baby wipes around. What do you store your poop kit in? I have use these sea to summit mesh bags for other things and I think it would work well for this
Mar 8, 2016 at 4:55 pm #3387666Thank you, Valerie and Heath. I like the the re-purposed bag idea. Now that I think of it, I’m pretty sure I have some chocolate covered pretzels in my pantry that are packaged in mylar.
Mar 8, 2016 at 5:06 pm #3387670I think the mylar bag idea is great. I didn’t think the bags mentioned were big enough so I found these;
http://store.yahoo.com/thenetmall/mybafor12ga.html
The were $0.39 each. I ordered a few and with shipping it was $4.
Mar 8, 2016 at 5:54 pm #3387676I’ve heard of people using beef jerky bags which are tough, opaque and ironic on some level.
@Brendan I’ve got zero interest in trying to use a bidet with my water bottle. There’s not really any noticeable splash but no thanks. I think an argument can be made for a different shaped bottle (like a small Fiji with its square profile versus a round Smartwater bottle for drinking).Mar 8, 2016 at 6:28 pm #3387686@Heath — I MYOG’d a little silnylon drawstring bag for my “poop kit”. Once you get used to sewing, you’ll want to make all your own stuff sacks in “custom” sizes. Each one only takes about 15 minutes to make, and is a “beginner” level project.
@Matthew — the reason for mylar (rather than thick plastic, as in beef jerky bags) is that mylar is MUCH more odour-proof than plastic. Test it out for yourself…Mar 8, 2016 at 6:42 pm #3387687@Valerie thanks but I’m sold on Packit Gourmet’s bags. My son and I carried them for 100+ miles straight with zero problems and I’ve got probably 15 of them saved for just this purpose.
Mar 8, 2016 at 8:40 pm #3387715You may be over thinking this. We’ve hiked in the Sierra for the past ten years in areas where they require you to pack out your TP. We take a small trowel, a roll of TP, and an “opaque” plastic bag for the used TP,. All of this goes in a separate plastic bag in an outside pocket of the pack.
Mar 17, 2016 at 12:55 pm #3389864What I have is a small squeeze bottle for washing up that I got in one of those Coghlan’s sets of various plastic containers. I carry it around in my pocket. I also have a homemade Lady J I made from a plastic salad dressing bottle. I use natural materials instead of TP and start collecting as soon as the need becomes imminent. If I pee I squeeze a jet of water into the Lady J thing I made to rinse off. I can use a pee rag, too.
I also have a Japanese pocket bidet a friend of mine sent me from Japan. It looks like a big bottle of deodorant but you just fill it with water and a little nozzle pulls out that I guess helps you with reach and spray. I think it’s just too big to take backpacking. The small squeeze bottle is good enough.
Mar 20, 2016 at 7:13 pm #3390669Matthew, did you find the Hygienna to stay solidly in the neck of the bottle? I tried it, and it seemed rather loose–I worried about it popping out at an awkward moment. Also, what bottle did you find to be a good fit?
I tried both the Hygienna and the Boulder Bidet at home before taking to the trail with them. I was unimpressed, due to having to dry my tush off–a “little air dry” took too long Still had to use TP to dry off with. I pack TP out regularly anyway, but would like to minimize how much I have to carry to begin with. The Boulder Bidet has a really long neck, and you can’t invert it into the bottle to carry it “dry”. The Hygienna is a lighter weight option, if I was certain it wouldn’t pop out when the bottle was squeezed.
Mar 22, 2016 at 7:16 pm #3391211I apologize a bit for thread drifting and more if I had posted this earlier. Was just cleaning my laptop and found this draft simultaneously to reading this thread. Think I never posted it. Would be useful post in one week but I always fail to remember that day.
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Alternative fuel sources: Cultural learnings of Asia for make benefit ultralight backpackers of world
In an outdoor trade show of Jarashpur, a south Asian equivalent of OR, a down to earth system combining traditional knowledge to ultralight backpacking was introduced. System utilizes a fuel known for centuries and features two major components: Dryer and burnerAt a suitable occasion, typically in the morning, user collects at minimum half a pound of fecal excrement. User shall spread the raw fuel to a shape of thin ‘pizza base’ between lightweight dung dryer(tm) discs, An extra spork dedicated to the job works fine. Dryer is attached on backpack, the solid side preferably facing backpack and the mesh one facing out.
After about 8 hours, depending on ambient relative humidity, the dried produce is to be ground for burning in PMB (powderized manure burner). The effective burner uses secondary combustion to fully oxidize the fuel, leaving only a fine scent totally unlike the untreated fuel. Experienced observer can however, sense the presence of highly aromatic substances like garlic.
benefits:
– easily available collectible fuel in even the most difficult (antarctic) conditions
– advanced leave no trace ethics
– you only carry one day’s worth of fuel at a time (5 ounces in average)
– Simple reliable and quiet solid state burner
– ditch the troweldisadvantages:
– one may need to carry activated charcoal tabs to avoid situations requiring excessive drying times
– simmering difficult -
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