Philmont list

[Patrick Moran]

This is my drafty list for 12 day June 2015 Philmont trip (hence the whole "sleep clothes" items. Any advicewoukdbe great…..

Hiking clothes:

Brimmed hat — ??oz
Ex Officio long sleeve shirt w/ sun collar — 8 oz
Ex Officio Amphi convertible pant — ??oz
Ex Officio briefs — ??oz
DeFeet Wooleater Sox 1.75oz
Merrill Moab Ventilator mid boot — 37.5oz

Pack Clothes:

Liner gloves/beanie — ??oz (insulation)
Hooded rain jacket –13.2 oz (rain/wind)
Rain pant –??oz (rain/wind)
Hooded puffy jacket — 14.7 oz (insulation/pillow)
Patagonia exped long johns — 7 oz (insulation)
Synthetic short sleeve shirt — 5.2 oz (sleep)
Ranger shorts — 3.1 oz (sleep)
DeFeet Wooleater Sox 1.75oz (2nd hiking/sleep)
Camp shoes ( Crocs?) -??oz

Sleep system:

Enlightened Equipment RevX 20* quilt — 31 oz
ExPeditions UL7 pad –16.2 oz
ExPeditions Schnozzle — 2.1 oz (sleep system and clothing dry bag)

Shelter:

Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2 — 2lb. 11oz
Ground sheet (tyvek?)

Stove/mess:

TiTri Caldera w/alcohol stove and Esbit tabs
Toaks 550ml ti pot
Ti spork
Small Alcohol bottle
Storage bag?
Water:

2 litre storage bags (x2)
100oz camelbak system
In-line sawyer filter

Other Gear:

Hiking poles?
Sunglasses
Lighter (small)
Knife (small)
Headlamp
Zipper lights
Water purification tablets
Repair kit
Zip lock bags
Ditty bag

Hygiene/first aid:

Toothbrush
Toothpaste
Wipes
Med tape
Liquid skin
Moleskin
Lube
Sunblock
Lipbalm
Dry bag (small)

[M B]

Your not bringing an alcohol stove or esbit to philmont
You will have crew cooking gear, not personal
You dont need personal water filtration. Use the Micropur tabs they issue everyone
You dont need any items in personal first aid that are also in crew first aid kit
Sleep in long johns, you wont need them during day , and get rid of other sleep clothes

[Jim Colten]

I've been there just twice (in '07 and '10, July both times, so my knowledge is neither horribly out of date nor eminently currently). If I don't mention an item it'll mean that I agree think it'd be OK or have no reason to consider it problematic.

Hiking clothes:

Merrill Moab Ventilator mid boot – used that in '07 and it was fine. But I switched to trail runners shortly afterwards.

In Pack clothes:

Patagonia exped long johns — 7 oz (insulation) – maybe if you are from a warm climate. I(from MN) wouldn't bother unless (maybe) if our trek had several higher altitude camps (Phillips, Baldy Town, Clear Creek or the other higher camps near Mt. Phillips.

Ex Officio briefs – I'd bring a second pair and do frequent laundry.

I really like having a backcountry laundry along (2 gallon ziplock bag and 3-4oz of powdered detergent). Clean (or less filthy) socks, briefs and shirt make me much happier

DeFeet Wooleater Sox 1.75oz (2nd hiking/sleep) – I prefer to have dedicated sleeping socks and also a second pair for hiking

Camp shoes (Crocs?) – work well, croc-offs tend to be lighter than the croc brand. I used Vincere sand socks in camp in '10, were fine but that is definitely a YMMV thing, I've found them to be a lot less than OK in cold wet conditions.

I liked having a sit pad along … both times.

Sleep system:

Enlightened Equipment RevX 20* quilt – if that is what you have then use it. But a 30*F quilt should be adequate, especially if you keep the long johns … Tim's quilts run pretty true to their ratings

ExPeditions UL7 pad –16.2 oz – if that is what you have … I got along just fine with a neoair short and the sit pad under my feet

Stove/mess:

Expect a LOT of push back to individual cooking and a ban on solid fuel if it is a dry year. Alcohol is not on the BSA prohibited list but Philmont may not allow it. White gas and (in 2010) canister fuel was stocked at the backcountry commissaries but alcohol was not sold at Philmont.

I use esbit or alchy stoves on almost all backcountry trips but would not chance it at Philmont.

2 litre storage bags (x2)
100oz camelbak system – a hydration system is a YMMV thing. I prefer one liter containers (eggs in more baskets). Your total capacity is plenty adequate.

In-line sawyer filter – another YMMV thing. I use pills. They are provided by Philmont

No camera?

[Patrick Moran]

Thanks for the responses.

Forgot to mention that my pack is a GG Mariposa+.

I really only included the cook system for an occasional cup of coffee. I could do a pocket rocket (or jetboil if I wanna lug it) instead, or just skip it. I was not aware of esbit/alcohol ban. I am already providing a Whisper Lite for a crew stove.

Sounds like maybe I am set up a little warm for clothing and potentially sleep. This woulnt normally concern me,but since I am trying to cut weight, I will adjust the clothing list. As for the Exped mat, I recently had rotator cuff surgery and am a side sleeper, so I just picked up that mat to provide a little more cushioning. Perhaps by june I will go back to my little 3/4 TAR.

Will ditch the water purification stuff as well.

This will add up to a few pounds lost I think. Thanks again.

[Jay L]

Alcohol as a stove fuel is listed as "not recommended" rather than as "prohibited" but Philmont will probably still prohibit it. Commercially made alcohol stoves are permitted but homemade stoves are prohibited.

Consider what problem you are trying to solve with the additional stove? Do you think the main stove(s) will be in use when you want your coffee thus you have to wait? Do you think the stove will be buried in someones pack when you want to use it thus you have to dig it out?

My last trek we had a full crew, 8 youth + 4 adults, and carried two whisperlites. We had no problem getting our coffee – most breakfasts do not use the stove so it is available, and all dinners require hot water so we made a bit extra and saved it before they add the food to the pot. Plus, at staffed camps there is "adviser coffee" in the evenings.

On the water – your ranger may require more capacity or may require something else for containers. In 2012 we only required crew members to have liters capacity and we had a 2 gallon bag for each two people. The ranger actually required everyone to have 4 liters capacity – a few of us had to go to the trading post and buy a water bottle (if this happens, don't buy an overpriced Nalgene, go next door to the ice cream shop and buy a bottle of water). I hit the trail with three tall Smart Water bottles and one PowerAde bottle. The ranger was good with that.

I would recommend picking up the Baltimore Area Council's "Philmont Advisors Guide" (http://www.bacphilmont.org/pag.html). It is basically 100 pages of lessons learned from lots of people with lots of PSR trips.

[Patrick Moran]

Thanks again all. I will pick up thatbook, Jay. Want to make this a great trip for the boys and myself. Cheers!

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