“Faux-dini”: 2.3 oz. Windshirt, <$15 – Initial Review and Sourcing

[And E]

Wuhoh, I should've gone even bigger. I'm normally at the upper end of a small and I ordered a large,…. Should've ordered an XL so I could fit some layers underneath.
Well, I'll just have to see how it fits when I get mine.

Thanks for the update.

[Aaron Sorensen]

I ordered 2 and only received 1.

Don't think I'll get the other as they do nothing with feedback.

And yes, an XXL would fit like a medium with short arms.

[D S]

Contact Seller. If you don't get a response, file a dispute with Paypal. You should get your second shirt or get your $ back.

[scree ride]

Other then that, how'd it work for ya?

[Ian]

When I said that I was done with this thread, I meant it. I had moved on and really had no interest in revisiting it.

The only reason I'm re addressing this is I finally found the section of law which shows that I'm wrong. From what I've read at the below link, per the Code of Federal Regulation and CBP policy, you can bring one counterfeit item into the U.S.

What can I say. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. My position, reasoning, and experience as to why you shouldn't support the black market remains but my legal argument is gone. I concede defeat.

http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/trade/legal/directives/2310-11a.ctt/2310-11a.pdf

Since I'm throwing myself on the sword. It was brought to my attention yesterday that my wording seemed to attack the OP. I was honestly surprised when I read that. I was certainly going after people on this thread and doing everything I could to bring on the apocalypse but nothing I was saying was directed at the OP and I deeply regret that I wasn't more specific about this along the way. She had no way of knowing that the item was counterfeit, that was clear to me and I thought to everyone, and I guess I mistakenly thought it was implied. I have already offered her my apologies in private and corrected one of my responses to make it clearer but I figured I might as well throw it out there.

[Roger Caffin]

Ian, you are an honourable man. Thank you for posting this.

cheers

[David Thomas]

Color me surprised too. That it was codified to a number, specifically one. Usually it is something vague like "items of de minimis value" although I assumed it was simply "not allowed in the country" and only as a de facto matter did no ones care about small quantities of low-value items.

Interesting that, "Customs officers shall permit the arriving person to retain one article of each type accompanying the person. For example, an arriving person who has three purses, whether each bears a different unauthorized trademark or whether all three bear the same unauthorized trademark, is permitted one purse."

Ian, thanks for the update. Clearly it was an honest mistake on your part and working on cases involving commercial quantities, something you'd never deal with in your work.

[PhilipB]

This thread was so inspiring I was inspired to write a blog post so I wouldn't forget the lessons I learnt here.
http://www.sparkyhikes.com/2013/11/top-10-hiking-tips/

[Kattt]

What you got from this is :
"Don't buy imported gear"…..

Including cars, phones, computers, clothes, oil etc.

[Ian]

Roger,

Thanks for the kinds words.

David,

"working on cases involving commercial quantities"

Thanks for giving me an out Dave:)

As far as importation goes, Title 19 USC wades through some murky waters and it really takes a specialist who's familiar with not only the law but case law as well for their Circuit. If I were to encounter one of these cases (distributor), I'd kick it over to CBP or DHS/HSI like a hot potato. The case I have knowledge of wasn't mine; sorry if I implied otherwise as that was not my intent. Edit to add: As typical, it's not uncommon for multiple agencies to be involved in a single case from investigation to incarceration and beyond. The case as I presented it is factual but the IPR aspect of it wasn't me. I wish I could explain it better.

Now I'm really done.

[Jon Leibowitz]

For those interested, I just received mine. It is clearly a counterfeit, stolen off the production line, or perhaps they were defects that were tossed and "repurposed". There really is no way to know.

I say that it is clearly one of the above because of what I know with certainty now that I received one: First, it comes in a Jack Wolfskin plastic bag. Second, it says Jack Wolfskin in two places on the actual garment. And Third, the tag that came on the jacket is the official red and back Jack Wolfskin tag stating, "At home outdoors in wind and rain – JACK WOLFSKIN OUTDOOR APPAREL is your reliable partner in every situation…….." in German, English, French, and Chinese. The tag even points to their official website of http://www.jack-wolfskin.com.

As to the actual wind shirt…. the thing is light and of seemingly very high quality (without being tested in the field). I got an XL and it fits me. I'm 6' and 160 pounds and usually wear mediums in nearly everything. It is very light and very breathable. The cuffs, entire bottom, and hood has elastic banding to ensure tight fight. The stowaway hood is nice but a little awkward when deployed. It seems very breathable. There is a zippered chest pocket which is a nice feature and the full-length zipper seems like it's decent quality. All in all, I gotta say this is going to me goto wind shirt next summer. I'll be testing it out this winter for its wind protection because it almost seems too breathable.

[Justin Baker]

"I got an XL and it fits me. I'm 6' and 160 pounds and usually wear mediums in nearly everything."

Are Asian people really that tiny?
I can't believe the sizing is so off.

[Jon Leibowitz]

I don't know if all Asians are, but apparently Chinese are ;)

[James holden]

well looking at the colours, this might be "womens" sizing even if its labelled as unisex …

a mens M is more or less a womens XL … for those of us that crossdress …

as to AZNs … the AZNs in north america tend to be larger belly wise than those back in the homeland … however the japanese due to excellent nutrition tend to be taller than the chinese or japanese decades ago … and the korean are catching up, as are affluent chinese

while genetics does play a factor, nutrition especially in childhood is a major factor …

you can easily see AZN sizing at the dead bird, westcomb, sugoi factory sales where all the AZN sizing, XS/S/M, are cleared out instantly ….

;)

[And E]

Sucks to hear that it could be stolen/counterfeit. Interesting though, that the tags actually point to the legitimate site. I've never bought counterfeit stuff before so I don't know what's standard practice.

My order is slightly delayed as they accidentally mixed in another person's order into mine and one of the two jackets I ordered got left out. chntrade contacted me officially through eBay to let me know of their goof and that my jacket has been sent out and to just keep the extra item as a gift.

So, they get some brownie points and break even from me for quick communication despite the delay. I'm a bit worried hearing about the sizes, as I ordered a large. I'm 5'6" and 155lbs, 38" chest. I'm usually at the upper end of a small and was hoping to get this to fit like a medium so I can have room to layer under it.

Oh well, guess I'll find out when I get it.

[Franco Darioli]

Can someone please take a close up shot of the logo on that jacket ?

[Dale Wambaugh]

"I say that it is clearly one of the above because of what I know with certainty now that I received one: First, it comes in a Jack Wolfskin plastic bag. Second, it says Jack Wolfskin in two places on the actual garment. And Third, the tag that came on the jacket is the official red and back Jack Wolfskin tag stating, "At home outdoors in wind and rain – JACK WOLFSKIN OUTDOOR APPAREL is your reliable partner in every situation…….." in German, English, French, and Chinese. The tag even points to their official website of http://www.jack-wolfskin.com.&quot;

Counterfeits can be quite good. I bought a TNF pack that had the logo cast in all the hardware. The packaging and labels are easier to knock off than the product and might even come off the same printing line. The guys who do the sewing already know the printers— might be family too. A lot of this stuff is sold on the side of the road and market squares in other countries and the packaging adds to the cache. As you have found out, there are many sizing standards worldwide.

This isn't new and it is widespread. We are generally insulated from these products by our government, but eBay creates a lot of holes, I'm sure.

Best of luck!

[Aaron Sorensen]

So I had a Kinsman Pullover from thru-hiker with M90.
It was the first article of clothing I made and the seams around the zipper weren't straight.

So I undid the seams, took the zipper and the outside fabric off and attached it to one of these wind jackets.
I was going to use 2 of these jackets, but didn't need to as I just forgot that the seams were off on the jacket and a total loss from it being that way.
Once I took the seams apart, the 2 lined up almost perfectly.

The only thing with the Faux is the sleeve length.
I would not get one of these jackets for any reason because of the sleeve length.
The only other flawed area on this jacket is the elastic around the sleeves and waist are way to tight.
Okay, the hood fit isn't so hot either.

With all 3 of these fixed, I would give the jacket a 9 out of 10.
With everything wrong, it's a solid 4.

Even at 2.3 ounces, it's a crapy fitting wind jacket.
I don't mind it that much for what I'm using it for but unless you have extremely short arms and no neck, this thing will look stupid on you if you wore it around.

Mine came in at 8.7 ounces with the 2.5 ounce insulation inside. The TNF next to it is 9.8.
I just wanted one of these for the full zip and no insulation in the hood.

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[Franco Darioli]

OK, close but no cigar :

[Jon Leibowitz]

Close but no cigar on the garment, but check out the tag….it's an exact replica.

I'm thinking it's just a knock-off and they randomly chose Jack Wolfskin as the unlucky brand to market the thing. I can't even find an equal product on Wolfskin's actual website.

[Corbin McFarlane]

Yeah, this is a pretty typical Chinese jacket. I've looked for things like this over there, but never purchased because I had no way to assess weight, quality, or performance.

And-E, I am almost exactly the same size as you, and in China I wear XXL. So I think you will find it way too small.

[Ron D]

For what it's worth I sent a message to them asking if the windshirt was a Jack Wolfskin and if so which model. Their response was:
"Thanks for your message. I am sorry but it is not original Jack Wolfskin products.

Best wishes.

chntrade"

If you search on ebay you will also see the identical windshirt being offered by multiple sellers. It's most likely that chntrade is just a vendor(among several) that purchased the shells from a factory and is just dumping them cheaply on ebay. I didn't see any of the vendors attempting to claim them as Jack Wolfskin products in their description.

[Jennifer Mitol]

When I was in Nepal about 10 years ago, the Kathmandu vendors were hilarious. I bought an "Everest quality!" Noth Farce fleece because I couldn't resist.

I wish I still had it to take a photo for you, but the crooked North Face-logo embroidery actually said "Noth Farce". Loved it.

[James holden]

From the testing of BPLers, im pretty sure is womens sizing on the jacket

Its funny as my entire AZN extendes family owns fake NF and other "brand" softshells and fleeces

We were talking about it the around the dinner table … As long as its something simple like a non membrane softshell, fleece or windshirt, does it really matter as king as you know its a copy?

These items are very simple, and basically commoditized

Now for a rain jacket this might be a different story

;)

[zorobabel frankenstein]

Can one of you that received the jacket please measure a size medium or large and post here?

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