22 Gram Esbit Kit

[Rob E]

What is the height of your pot above your esbit?

[mik matra]

Here is the picture of my Ti pot stand, ground heat shield and home made (from alu coke can) gram cracker stove;

From the stove tray to the bottom of the pot is exactly 5cm (2 inches). I am beginning to think that the burn and heat produced might not be enough to bring the water to boil. I tried 14grams of Esbit and I 'almost' got a boil….had the noise and the bubbles rising but not-quite-there.

[Dan Yeruski]

mikmik, put at least four more holes in the base of your pot support.

If you have some 1/2" hardware cloth make a pot support out of it and try the same amount of fuel and windscreen. It may be your pot support causing the inefficiency.

[James DeGraaf]

Hi Mik,
I had that same set up. Suluk46? And the same problem, never got two cups to boil… Until I took a regular paper punch a put two more rows offset like the bigger ones. That finally allowed enough air flow to get it to boil two cups. I emailed back and forth with Steve a few times about it, but nothing came if it. I think a really trimmed down hardware cloth is better than the ti foil pot stand. Keep the BGET or one of Dan's new esbit trays. I've had a chance to play around with one of Dan's esbit stoves and there is noticeably less gunk from esbit and more of just soot, which wipes off easily.

Try some other things and letus know how it goes.
Thanks,
James

[Dan Yeruski]

James, inside the esbit burner there are two black lines on it's wall. Line up your 4 gram tablets lengthwise in the direction of those lines for best performance. Air flow will pass over the tablets in a fashion that will help center them. You may notice more air coming in from one side more than the other. I suspect that is due to the tablets being a little off center one way or another. The flames stay centered though.

[mik matra]

Thanks for the replies James :)

I got a nice row of holes in the Ti pot stand to allow breathing but I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of the heat gets ejected out through the top holes rather than hit the bottom of the cup. I tried 9g 12 nad 14g esbit, alcohol at various amounts and different heights to burn esbit and alcohol and no go…..frustratingly close!! It seems as not enough heat is generated quickly enough and the esbit or alcohol clonks out before the job is done. I am going to do away with the Ti cup holder and either go for that gauze or just be patient and wait for the ebit 'tray and cookpot trypot'.

I'll get back to you guys then.

[Dan Yeruski]

Yes, I suspect there is a "boundary layer on the bottom of the pot caused by the hole configuration of the pot support. Get a different pot support. Make a simple coat hangar wire support. don't give up :-)

[Dan Yeruski]

Mika, I made some esbit burner trays available for you and others. Internationals also :-)

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[mik matra]

Hi Dan,

I sent you a PM regarding if you are sending the fosters pots overseas. I am in Australia and am wondering if you'd send one to me?

Ta.

Mik :)

[mik matra]

Woop woop I got my first boil then back to back boils :)….now to work on efficiency.

I did away with Ti pot stand I posted picture of before and made one of a coat hanger and made 50mm height. I used a 13gram Esbit piece and had about 1.5-2g left after the boil.

By the way, I have been going for a active boil where the water is moving not just bubbles forming. Is that how you guys class as a boil too?

[Dan Yeruski]

Mika, you're a winner. Got the boil….whoooop! :-))) active boil is what we look for.

Sure thing, I can send a Foster's pot to you. I'll send you a paypal invoice with the correct shipping charges. Let me know which one you want. Today I created a new SULyte 400ml pot from a Foster can. Has snap-on lid.

[Chad B]

"Today I created a new SULyte 400ml pot from a Foster can. Has snap-on lid."

Ooooh, I want one of those.

[Dan Yeruski]

CB, I need time to work on this little gem.

EBY265 Ti cup is 400ml cap. (no lid) but has handles

The Foster pot has 400ml cap. and has a color coordinated "snap-on" lid. and can easily picked up with a 3" wide cozy type product made of relectix or 1/16" high density foam to fit the diameter of the pot. When the water boils just slip the cozy over the top and pick it up.

I can put some 1/8" holes in the lid for steam to escape and that will allow for the "snap-on" cap to remain on in the tight position when removing from cone or stove.

I filled it with water and tipped it upside down and shook it and the lid stays on. I'm sure it way stay put with all the stuff stored in it while in a stuff sack. Cool feature.

[M B]

Dan, you dont have aluminum flat bottom pots on your website.

How do I get one.?

I have the steel bottom.

[Dan Yeruski]

MB, send me your email address and I'll send you an invoice. I have 2 that I can let loose of.

[mik matra]

I will get back to you in a day or so Dan, ta mate :).

One thing with the esbit efficiency is that as the esbit burns it looses height and thus the burn power is affected. I am noticing that a flatter piece rather than a higher piece is more effective over the life of the burn.

I'm still waiting for my Esbit manufactured tray holder /tripod cup holder but what height do you have the tray of the esbit burner from the bottom of the pot? My pot stand holds my pot 50mm from the ground and I don't want to go any higher than that.

I was thinking of making a caddy to hold everything in from a wetsuit type of material. I found a wine bottle cooler out of this stuff and it fits the pot perfectly. It's not really a cprotection caddy as such more like an insulation sleeve for the pot to be able to pick it up straight after a boil and to keep the coffee/tea warm for a little longer.

Pictures to follow.

[mik matra]

I noticed with the modified gram cracker stove I built that you can't have a 'deep' tray as that slows the burn too much. I'm going to have a go at making another gram cracker stove with a bigger tray area so I can lie my esbit tab flat. I seem to have different looking tabs from you guys. Mine comes in large flat blocks.

[Piney]

Based on my research, 1.25" to 1.75" from the surface of the esbit to the bottom of the pot is best. So I built my stoves with a distance of 1.25" from the top of a fresh esbit tab to the bottom of the pot. That way when the tab burns all the way down it is still within the optimal distance.

[mik matra]

"Based on my research, 1.25" to 1.75" from the surface of the esbit to the bottom of the pot is best"

Cool, mine is close to the 1.25" mark. I think I now will experiment with making a larger tray for the esbit so I have more of even burn.

I can see though that an upright pot will take longer to boil water than a wider pot.

Wonder is anyone ever thought of making a pot out of those Heiniken beer 'kegs'….I think they are 5liters (?). Don't quote me on the liter amount but I know they are bigger than the Fosters 1liter pots.

[Troy Ammons]

What is the source of this tiny container ??
Thanks

[mik matra]

Are you asking about the gram cracker or the Esbit burner/pot stand?

[Dan Yeruski]

Troy, they are available at Amazon.com.

MikMik, have you used your EsbitLyte burner yet?

Introducing the "EsbitLyte" burner.

[mik matra]

Hi Dan,

I was on your website a few days ago and you were still away. I wanted to order a Fosters Pot.

I am looking for a flat bottomed one with the ribbing for strength on the side that will boil 2 cups of water please. Can you let me which one would suit my purpose please. Thank you :).

No I haven't tried that burner but have checked it out on your site. I bought and am waiting for this esbit burner. I like it for it has a tray to hold the liquid AND it is a pot stand as well for 11grams:

[Dan Yeruski]

MikMik, I'll start making another batch of foster 2 cup flat bottom pots today and will send you an invoice when they are ready. that is the one for you to use with your new pot support/esbit stove. Did you receive the ti Esbit pot stand yet and will the StarLyte burner work with it? I'll have to order one to do some experimenting.

[mik matra]

I put an order in last night for a flat bottomed fosters can but haven't got a confirmation email from your company yet.

I don't think your stove will work with the Ti pot stand I ordered. I haven't got it yet it's still in transit but in the picture the pot stand has it's own esbit holder.

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