tent stakes

[Sean Heenan]

We intend on using the Philmont tents when we go this summer and looking through the gear list provided by Philmont it says that the crew is responsible for tent pegs and ground cloths. Does anyone know if this is true that we have to provide tent pegs for their tent and ground cloths?

[Corbin Camp]

I've yet to hear anyone recommend using the Philtents.

[Bruce Tolley]

Sarah Kuhn reported on this site that the new Philmont tents are made by MSR and much lighter than the old style A frame tents.

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"The 'new' tents are a custom construction from MSR they look very similar to the MSR Carbon Reflex, but not exactly.

If your crews already has fairly light-weight tents that they are familiar with and room when traveling to Philmont is not an issue, then my 2 cents is bring your own. If you are looking at purchasing tents 'for Philmont' I wouldn't encourage it with the availability of the 'new' tents. The 'new' tents do muddy water a bit, I just don't have enough information to argue either way other than familiarity. I think most crews will be receiving the 'new' tents this year, but I'm sure there will still be some of the '16 stakes' in rotation. (Take a treat to the guys in supply!!!)"
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There is a really nice photo in the original post.

If needed, you could always buy the tent stakes at the Philmont trading post.

[david richardson]

If you plan on using there tents you will have to supply ground cloths and stakes. My suggestion is to buy some patio door polycro window type film kits and cut into ground cloths. Stakes are your own preference. The stakes that they sell at Tooth of time traders are very strong. The ones that are the twisted metal type seem to find there way into the hard rocky soil at camp sites better than anything else. I think they sell them for $.35 @.

[Jay L]

Last year I used my SMD Lunar Duo but the rest of the crew used the new Philtents by MSR. Everyone really liked them. You do need to take footprint and stakes but as I recall it was only 8 stakes, not the 16 needed by the old tents.

We used 7 inch aluminum gutter nails and they worked well for the cost/weight. Yeah, we bent a few but they are easy to straighten. You can get them in 10-packs (or maybe they are 8-packs) but we got box of 250 for about $60 because we seem to donate a lot of tent stakes to the local campgrounds. If you go this route, I suggest get the white nails and spray the top inch or so with safety-orange paint. Makes them much easier to see.

[Lance M]

Here's a link to Sarah's post:
New Philtent

[Sean Heenan]

One of the reasons we decided to use Philmont's tents in because of the new tents. Another is because we are flying, so it makes it easier to get there with less gear. Thanks David and Jay for replies as to having to bring our own stakes and ground clothes. I find it a little hard to believe that you need to bring stakes, it seems that they would include them and then perhaps charge for lost or bent/broken stakes, but I understand with the volume of boys that some things need to be streamlined.

[Sarah Kuhn]

Don't forget 'tent stakes' for the dining fly unless you take your own.
Philmonts recommendation for each person taking 10 stakes was to have sufficent stakes for the old tent AND to contribute stakes to the crew's dining fly.

Lots of people use the gutter nails with great success, personally I just use cheap lightweight aluminum tent stakes, but like suggested above I spray paint the tops with a very bright color.

[Sean Heenan]

Thanks for the tip Sarah, didn't realize we'd need stakes for that also, but that makes sense.

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