Sleeping with food

[Linsey Budden]

Are Balance Bars really food?

[ROBERT TANGEN]

Next you’ll criticize my habit of eating the cambrian layer of pine trees. Real backpackers are tough.

[David Bonn]

Cambrian layer? I didn’t know they had trees back then (500-odd million years ago). You probably meant cambium, which is a spring food for bears that I suppose humans could eat too.

[ROBERT TANGEN]

I was referring to the petrified wood I take in my pack for food. Real backpackers are REAL tough.

[Paul Tree]

Let’s get it straight – except in Grizzly country (Alaska, Yellowstone, and Montana in the US), “bear protection” is all about protecting THE BEARS. It’s nice to play Olden-Times but if you really care about Nature and Bears, then you will take a few precautions.

All yall worried about your tours being prematurely ended – well consider the arc of life of a bear that gets human food a few times. It usually has a bad ending – either killed as a nuisance or hit by a car. Wherever you’re from, it’s not really cool for the tourist to go killing the locals. Which is the stage you are setting when you dont take the proper care.

Many visitors to bear habitat say they have never even seen a bear (“and I’ve been coming out here since nineteen-blah-blah-blah”). Well, from the perspective of the bears, they have probably smelled you a few times. All it takes is a couple scores for them to get addicted, and with the numbers of people out there, it all adds up. I’ve never had a car accident, but still have car insurance..

If you haven’t seen them, that might mean that they are the Good Bears, not yet ruined by habituation to humans and human food. That bit of wildness is Worth saving!!!

Don’t let your laziness or weakness lead to the trashing of the last wild places.

Or go ahead you gapers, just don’t pretend that you are some primaeval child of nature who simply must be free to do whatever. And don’t go where I go.

[Doug L]

Just wanted to comment on a somewhat funny paradox about habituated bears and using bear bags. I have spent quite a bit of time in the eastern high peaks region of the Adirondacks, where the bears there have apparently gone to food-stealing graduate school. The funny thing is that they almost always go for food that is hung. I have passed leantos where foolish (but well-intentioned) hikers have left food for others on the shelves of the shelter. The resident bears didn’t bother checking the shelter and instead focused their energies on anything that was hung from a tree. They’ve gotten so used to people hanging their food that they seem to take for granted that there is no food on the ground.

However to illustrate the olfactory ability of black bears: My friend had parked his car at the Adirondack Loj for an overnight trip. When he returned the next day a black bear had broken the window open and had eaten the five individually wrapped atomic hot candies that had been left in the dash console.

All that being said, it is pure laziness if you don’t hang food even in non-habituated areas. The situation is so desperate in the adirondacks that canisters are now required in the eastern high peaks area and one ranger I talked to said that the bears had begun to ignore the rubber bullets and tear gas shot at them and regularly return to certain camping locations.

[Sarah Kirkconnell]

I have been a happy Ursack fan for over 5 years. It was one of my first lightweight gear buys. In my hiking group we have one of every Ursack ever made-and that includes the funky sacks they were making when they were running out of the orginal fabric. Basically we have a museum ;-)
Anyhoo, for cost and weight, an Ursack is a great deal.
Yes, they are not allowed everywhere. But most places in the US they are fine to use. They allow you to safely park your food in high alpine areas, and to not have to bear bag ever again.
You’ll sleep better, and you’ll know you are keeping human food away from all teh animals! People think about bears, but honestly? It is the racoons, squirrells, chipmunks and birds I despise!
(I do own a canister, a Bear Vault Solo, for when I hike on the Olympic NP coast.)

[paul johnson]

Sarah, i’ve read other’s comments that rodents have chewed a small hole in an Ursack. what’s your take on this?

[Sarah Kirkconnell]

In those 5 years and countless trips later, I have watched many a rodent dance, climb and poop on my Ursack (quess that is how they get back at us). But no holes or chew areas to date. I don’t use OP sacks in mine either. Now, I don’t usually leave my Ursack in “normal” areas for food (I like to go cross country when I am allowed). Nobody else in our group has had chew areas either.
It may be though, that we don’t camp in areas with rats or mice that are habiuated. I have no desire to ever sleep in a shelter if I can help it ;-)

[Douglas Frick]

>But no holes or chew areas to date.

Ditto. I had a bunch of rat-raisins on my Ursack when I last hung it on a bear wire, but no damage. I suspect a regular silnylon bag would have been safe up there from bears, but the critters who have perfected their high-wire act would have had a free meal.

[Roman Dial]

I don’t get on often enough to keep up with all the great discussions at this site – and this topic is a favorite.

As one of the “Ryan et al”, when I say I sleep with my food, I mean I physically put my head on it –bears also sleep on their kills, btw. I do not leave food alone without me because any numebr of animals from voles to ursids will steal it.

Most of you have more experience with habituated bears — the kind that break into cars to steal food.

But my feeling is that a bear has to be pretty bold to confront me directly for my food, just as a thief has to be very bold to confront me directly to steal from me.

If I am sleeping in a seedy third world hotel I don’t keep my wallet in the hallway.

[Mike Barney]

Wow, you’re reminding me of two incidents the same night 5 years in northern Arizona. “Everyone else” had their food outside their tents in bags, save the occupants of 1 tent and 1 shelter.

Both ended up dealing with family of skunks, who really didn’t care who’s food it was or where it was in the tent. They were not afraid of people. The guy in the wilderness shelter ended up with a skunk literally on top of him and his food.

No one was sprayed or bitten, but there clearly are threats that fit somewhere between bears and ants that may not follow the logic in your post.

Further, I’d hate to find out up close and personal that a particular bear was hungrier than fearful of humans.

Regards,
MikeB

[Roman Dial]

Yes we had a skunk incident in arizona once as well. We did not get sprayed but the animal did its head stand — striped skink?

We we simply sleeping outside in a campsite that was of course hfairly well used.

Your skunks and our skunk and everybody’s raccoons, bears, insects, deer, and all the rest are foraging because they know that there is food available at the camp sites. Look for the wrappers and other garbage at these sites.

Just as many country folk do not lock their doors for fear of thieves and city folk do, campers in often used campsites must carefully hang their food or otherwise protect it from bold thieves.

We recently hiked around Mt Ranier and hng our food every night on the provided poles. We had to! The bears are literally waiting for the hikers to arrive — like your skunks no doubt.

Clearly, one solution does not fit all situations. What seems best are people who can tell one situation from another, balance the risks and the benefits accordingly, and continue on walking from their teens to their eighties.

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