2014-2015 Arcteryx Squamish Performance

[Greg Mihalik]

"particularly since it was repeated here multiple times that leaks occured more easily at the ripstop threads." Just to clarify a bit for those new this topic – photos from several investigations Show leaks emanating from the intersection of the rip-stop threads.

[Richard Nisley]

Michael, The lowest denier Epic material now being manufactured, that I am aware of, is 40 denier; it is available from Milliken. I haven't tested any of their products, but their specs are 300mm HH and 25 CFM. The DWR (silicone encapsulation) is good for the life of the garment. It can be refurbished in the field by just washing in cold water and hang drying. The 2014-2015 (spring) versions of the Squamish have 30 denier RS fabric. I tested its performance at 70mm HH and 43 CFM. The air permeability is close to the ideal for the average UL backpacker. The 2013 version of the Squamish used 20 denier clear PU coated fabric and I tested 492mm HH and 35.5 CFM. The 2012 and 6 prior year's Houdini have been reported by most users to be an ideal garment for UL backpacking. It struck a perfect balance between keeping the user warm and still passing out internal moisture. I tested its performance as an average of 141mm HH and 35.8 CFM. The 2013 and later (not tested by me post 2013) was a major revision from a fabric that had been the same for six years. I tested the 2013 version at 387mm HH and 3.7 CFM. The bottom line is that the DWR on your conventional WPB raingear will degrade more quickly now than in the past do to 2015 environmental regulations. Save your conventional rain gear for when you have no other viable alternative. In all other cases, use a windshirt for additional warmth and/or moisture protection; the spring 2015 Squamish is a good alternative.

[Woubeir (from Europe)]

Richard, how does this correspond with this thread ? Not to make these results less important, but the consequenses could be.

[Richard Nisley]

Wourbeir, The two threads are complimentary. The older thread covered the Arcteryx Squamish from 2007 – 2013. The new thread primarily addressed the 2014 – 2015(spring) versions.

[Woubeir (from Europe)]

True but there were though also results for a 2014 Squamish ?

[Richard Nisley]

Woubeir, I never had access to a fall version 2014 Squamish until this past week.

[Woubeir (from Europe)]

Sorry to go on about this but how come it shows results for a 2014 Squamish ?

[Anonymous]

No idea what the CFM or HH mm levels are or denier of the fabric, but the Greg Norman brand also carries EPIC treated clothing. I just ordered a used small windshirt with EPIC treatment off ebay for 17.99. The ORC L4 windjacket is on sale and quite reasonable at about 58 dollars, but only size large and up. Milliken doesn't seem to have a product store where you can instantly buy a piece of gear. Wild Things are expensive, but on par with Houdini price.

[Richard Nisley]

Woubier, I sent images of the hang tags, on the garments I used for this thread, to Arcteryx Customer Service for analysis: From: ARC'TERYX SERVICE [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 4:12 PM To: richard Subject: Service Request: Ask a Specialist (RefNo. 1950553) Hi Richard, The model years are 2014 fall and 2015 spring. The model is the same for the two years but the colourrs have changed. Both use the Tyono 30 fabric. Thank you, Arc'teryx Service Team – Stuart ARC'TERYX Equipment http://www.arcteryx.com

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Summary: Service Forms: ASKSPCL Customer No 169704 Question: 10/3/15 What are the model years and fabrics for these two Squamish Hoodies I purchased this week? Color – Masago Color – Mantis Green Thank you, Richard Attached: Hang tag images Please reference: Service Request Ask a Specialist (RefNo. 1950553) on all correspondence. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Woubier – Regarding my old 2014 Squamish thread you provided the link to: the garment sold to me by a retailer in 2014, as a Squamish 2014 model, apparently was their 2014 Spring version. This current thread provided the test results for the 2014 Fall version and the 2015 Spring versions. I don't have a 2015 fall version to test. Arcteryx's frequent fashion updates are a royal pain to keep track of for all of us without access to their shop manuals.

[Woubeir (from Europe)]

Richard, I agree that it is difficult to keep track of such changes. But even without access to their workbooks, it can be difficult e.g. if they indeed used Tyono30 in those jackets, they must have changed fabrics after publication of their workbook.It's not the first time that happens and it even can happen that a (new) style that is offered, will not come available to consumers as it won't be offered by retailers. Anyhow, are you able to check in a store that there is ripstop or not in a Fall15 Squamish in the colors … lets say … Twinleaf or Tropos Blue (new colors for this season) ? Thanks.

[Brett Peugh]

Very good topic as I have been looking for something along these lines. The fact that they have an ORC L4 for $58 in XLT excites me and that it will have the specs of 25 CFM and 300 mm at a minimum is cool. Does anyone know the weight? I just wonder what my Westcomb Crest hoody has for HH as Richard was able to tell me that the CFM was ~20. I think I am going to have to pull the trigger on that ORC unless someone has a better suggestion as the $15.64 shipping is a bit steep.

[Brett Peugh]

0.66#s in a L

[Brett Peugh]

And there is this, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arktis-A192-Stowaway-Windshirt-PCU-Level-4-Swedish-Camo-Medium-SAS-Survival/221896585918?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33490%26meid%3Df844ca83fbf44e8b9e55980e388b7337%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D221864601921 but I don't know if they use Epic but it looks to be about 6oz.

[Ethan A.]

Richard thank you (yet again) for testing these and sharing the results. Very timely after my pre-2012 Houdini got shredded in the wash after many good years service (no it wasn't my idea to tumble dry it while wet with a bunch of other heavy wet clothing, but the Ms. shredded hers too in the process and she felt awful about it). So Squamish here we come…looking forward to the the brim and we use a windshirt so much I don't mind an extra ounce. I just want the same CFM as the pre-2012 Houdini which I found to be about ideal.

[Brett Peugh]

Sorry for the bracket busting post above, moderators please delete it http://www.arktisoutdoor.co.uk/index.php/product/stowaway-shirt-black/ Teflon coated finish, about 7oz Supposedly a SOF PCU Level 4

[Paul S.]

Reading older threads I came across the SD Stow Windshirt. Michael Glavin says it is coated with PU and thus has permanent water resistance. Sounds similar to the current Houndini, low CFM and thus not ideal, but I'm very interested in the permanent water resistance more than anything. Stow: Moisture Vapor Transfer Rate: 53,700g (JIS L1099-B1), or 6,750g (ASTM E96BW) Air Permeability: 3CFM (ASTM D737) Water Entry Pressure: 380mm (permanent, due to kiss coat of PU vs. DWR on the Kenosha) Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

Paul, why go with such a low CFM when there are EPIC and EPIC like silicone impregnated fabrics that also have a more permanent DWR, but breathe much better? The difference between 3 CFM and 20 is pretty big not just on paper, but in real world conditions. To put it into perspective, 3 CFM is only 6 times more breathable than the best eVent fabrics.

[Paul S.]

Price and availability. Only other options I know of are the Houdini which is the same CFM but costs more and wild things which I think is heavier? I might stick with my Ferrosi but it's 1 lb. and needs DWR.

[Paul S.]

What other permanent water resistant items are there other than the Houdini, WT shirt, and SD Stow? Again, looking for a better option than WP/B unless I'm stopped or it's really cold. And I'm tired of constantly retreating my soft shells in the shoulder and back areas due to pack abrasion.

[Woubeir (from Europe)]

I just got a mail from Arc'teryx that Gossamera was just renamed Tyono 30 and for the rest no change.

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