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Jun 26, 2015 at 7:11 pm #1330231
After many years of looking for compact, light and capable trail spoon, I think this one is it..
NOTE-While this IS a MYOG project,there are so many folks over the years posting here in gear looking for decent spoons, I posted it here on the general gear thread.I am also under no illusions that I have invented the wheel here,its just I have never seen a version that worked this well or was as easy to make and as cheap and available.
My requirements for a trail spoon are –
Durable plastic that would not scratch pots, has a good sized bowl ,light, easy to clean and has a decent mouth feel. It needed to be no longer than 4" folded or taken down and at keast 7" long when extended. It also needed to be sturdy enough to use when fully deployed and while I was at it, cheap, too..;)Over the last few years a compact plastic take down spoon I generally liked.was the MSR folding spoon . It was light at 10 grams.inexpensive at about $4 and had proper length folded and extended. But, it had several problems.
It has lots of nooks and crannies in the spoon stem and handle that make it hard to keep clean.
The bowl was too small (about teaspoon sized) and the handlep locking mechanism was a bit wobbly. Foods also stained the grey bowl plastic badly- especially coffee.So, I continued to search for a better design. One solid spoon I had used over the years was the Coghlan Acetal (Delrin?)spoons They cost a princely $.57 at Walmart and work well. They are slightly textured, so dont have a perfect mouth feel, but the material food is resistant to melting and breakage and does not stain easily. The bowl is also big enough to make eating stuff like short noodles actually dooable.
So,I began thinking of cutting down a Coghlans spoon and making a slip on takedown handle extension as an alternative to the MSR. I needed tubing material that was flexible enough to slip over the spoon stem and yet rigid enough to make a solid unit when assembled.After months of buying tubing samples from the hardware store, nothing really worked.
Then, one day in response to an MYOG thread here. some one mentioned in an offhand way that most plastics are in fact thermo plastics and can be reformed with heat. ,which gave me an idea.I searched through my pen drawer at my desk and came up with a few White polyethene inkpen barrels found on Cheap BIC, Papermates etc..I cut down the spoon stem to the apropriate length and then sanded the sides and end of the stem to fit inside the pen barrel . I then trimmed the poly pen barrel to length and heated the end up by propping it inside a nonstick skillet on medium high – just over 300 degrees . Once the barrel end softened, I jammed it over the stem of the Spoon. It was a SNUG fit and it took a bit of pressure to get it on, but the plastic firmed nicely and did not crack.
Once cool, the handle and spoon came apart with a tug and slipped back together very securely. Because the handle can be reheated and pinched a bit, if the handle gets loose over time, it can be " tweaked" back to tight again by heating and pinching it a bit.Mine has been in use for about 6 months now and is still nice and tight..Poly sliding on nylon tends to be self lubricating,so it will likely be a snug for a good while. The smooth contours of the spoon and hollow extension shaft also make it a lot easier to keep clean on the trail than folding designs.
The spoon is 4" taken down and about 7.5" assembled . One could always make longer version for eating out of Mountain House bags,etc. I also know that not everyone likes the mouth feel of the Acetal spoons,so I am going to also look into a version made from a Wendy's Chilli spoon,
which I also have liked using over the years and is dead smooth.Jun 26, 2015 at 11:22 pm #2210424here is a bamboo spoon I made from a bamboo tong I found at a thrift. It fits in my mug, my sp bowl and weighs 6grams. Reflective string is to locate my wooden spoon among the forest floor and acts as a handle.
Jun 27, 2015 at 7:08 am #2210445Jimmer, those big plastic coghlan spoons are the best. They're like a shovel! I may try this with mine. I always have trouble figuring out a spot for it. This wil make it easier to pack.
Jun 27, 2015 at 8:36 am #2210456Yep Sam ,that is whole idea..I hope you can.get some use out of it. I have found it to be hust about perfect for my needs.
I played around with Ti spoons, too. The hsndle extension idea using the oen barrels should also work with the Snow Peak Spork or Spoons with the narrow necks.
I also have a folding design in the works for tbe Chinese Ti TOAKS, Optimus etc longyp polished bowl spoons.
But, I really like plastic because its cheap, available and does not scratch the he!!out of my pots.
Jun 27, 2015 at 9:21 am #2210464A whole thread on backpacking spoons is sort of anal and verges on gear fetishism but heck I'm on BPL which can over-evaluate the smallest gear detail and so let me join in the fun.
My go-to backpacking spoon used to be this lexan model but after having 5 or 6 snap in half on trips I now carry a sea to summit long handle aluminum or titanium. BTW, the lexan models can be welded back together using a bic lighter and joined to finish a trip.
Another tip—Place a bandaid on the handle and this will keep the spoon on the pot edge and stop it from sliding into the pot.
All I use now are these long handled models. ALWAYS take two spoons on a backpacking trip as one will invariably break. I broke one of these metal spoons too trying to use it to cut cheese—the spoon part snapped off the handle.Jun 27, 2015 at 12:39 pm #2210500I've never seen a metal "backpacking" spoon with a big enough bowl. I like the Wally World lexan spoons because the bowl is huge and I can quickly deliver the food to my mouth. That's a big deal for someone with a metabolism as fast as mine. I can't eat quick enough! Plus, they're cheap!
Jun 27, 2015 at 2:38 pm #2210517I use a long-handled Sea to Summit titanium spoon. I tried using a foldable Optimus spoon but it kept collapsing on me and collecting food fungoo where it folded. So now I'm back to the Sea to Summit and looking for a better solution. This just might fit the bill.
Breaking a Ti spoon cutting the cheese? That's impressive!
Jun 27, 2015 at 2:56 pm #2210521I have used plastic spoons and sporks for ages and I can never remember breaking one. But then again I only use it for eating. EDIT: this spoon is actually 2g (.07ounce) not the 5g (.18ounce) I initially posted.
Jun 27, 2015 at 9:17 pm #2210622That spoon is clever, Jimmer. I also like Mik's ladle. I made a long spoon about two years ago. I've been using it since then. I wish it had a bigger bowl on it. It holds a shaving razor, a toothbrush and toothpaste, and a pen and paper. They're all tiny, but I use them and they work. All loaded up it weighs 18g (0.6 oz).
Jun 27, 2015 at 9:57 pm #2210630Colin,
This is where I'm supposed to post a "take my money now!" meme.
That's damn clever. Well done.
Edit to add. Great thread and some interesting ideas posted.
I've gone back to the MRE spoon myself. Unfortunately my wife didn't recognize it for the treasure that it was, assumed incorrectly that it was garbage, and pitched it. Time to visit the local Army/Navy surplus store to buy another one.
Jun 28, 2015 at 8:42 am #2210678Wow Colin, that is super clever. Let me guess, you're an engineer? Ha The bowl on your spoon looks larger than the typical Al or Ti spoon.
About those Al and Ti spoons. While I dont like the size of the bowl, I also don't like the shape. They all seem to have that funky shape to them, rather than the typical egg shape of at home silverware. The lexan spoon is a little closer to the "traditional" shape. But I really dislike the squat, flat ended Ti spoons. YMMV of course.
Jun 28, 2015 at 10:12 am #2210703Colin's design is awesome.
I went through a period of time where I was really hung up on using a spoon which fit in my cook pot. I've long since gotten past that. I consider my spoon to be a luxury item. There are certainly lighter options out there but this spoon just feels so nice I don't mind the few extra grams. It stores in my food bag.
Bamboo spoon from To-Go Ware, 7" long, 11 grams
You can get a 5 pack for $10 +shipping.
Jun 28, 2015 at 10:40 am #2210715Wow. Not only a great idea, but a flawless execution! I'm with Ian on this: where's the "Buy Now" button?
Jun 28, 2015 at 11:26 am #2210724And thanks for the compliment.
My design is so simple I felt it was pretty obvious,really.When I completed it,I slmost did not even post it here thinking Surely someone else has done this exact thing", but decided to list it be use in actual use I was so pleased with the outcome.
As to your metal takedown spoon, how long is it broken down and what does just the spoon and handle weigh? Also, what is the handle barrel made from and what is the finish on it?
Jun 28, 2015 at 3:30 pm #2210767Jimmer, the handle is a carbon fiber tube about 1 cm (3/8") in diameter. The handle alone (empty), with cap, weighs 5.4g (0.20 oz). The spoon component weighs 6.3g (0.22 oz). All the stuff I pack inside the handle weighs roughly the same as the spoon (6.0g). The spoon is aluminum and the threaded parts of the spoon, the pen, and the handle are made from aluminum arrow hardware.
Also, I don't know why I remembered it being 7" long. I just measured the length again. The handle alone is 6" long and with the spoon attached it's 8.75" long.
Jun 28, 2015 at 6:05 pm #2210802I have use a long handled Lexan spoon since they came out several years ago.
It has not broken B/C it's Lexan and I'm hoping it won't. But I do keep a small MRE backup spoon as well.
Jun 28, 2015 at 6:10 pm #2210807Just dont batton the spoon through any hard cheese and you should be fine;)
Jun 28, 2015 at 7:15 pm #2210823Since Ian either can't figure it out or is too lazy to use HTML:
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