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    Jim C
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    @jimothy

    Locale: Georgia, USA

    I've always packed out my tea leaves, and will almost certainly continue to do so (so no one needs to pick up their pitchforks), but I wanted to get a few opinions on this. e

    Is it acceptable to scattered tea leaves rather than pack them out? I'm asking more out of curiosity than practical reasons, as the weight saved by not packing out would be minimal.

    Assume:

    – Unflavored, unscented black or green tea (no Earl Grey, no vanilla or fruity additives)
    – Below tree line
    – Leaves would be scattered over multiple square feet, rather than discarded in a pile.
    – The amount of leaves in a area would be one or two teaspoons dry
    – The usual sensibilities of keeping a proper distance from campsite, trail, and water would be followed.

    Given this, isn't acceptable—from a (pragmatic rather than dogmatic) LNT and bear safety perspective—to discard tea leaves amongst the forest duff rather than packing them out? These are, after all, leaves, albeit non-native (but thoroughly dead).

    My initial thought is that there's basically no harm from a LNT perspective, but someone may correct me on that. I'm less sure about it from a bear and other animal perspective. Will animals be attracted to the leaves, even scattered? Could the animals be harmed by, for instance, whatever caffeine remains in the brewed leaves?

    #2198215
    Anonymous
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    "Is it acceptable to scattered tea leaves rather than pack them out? I'm asking more out of curiosity than practical reasons, as the weight saved by not packing out would be minimal."

    If at or below tree line, just scatter them below a bush/tree and scratch them into the soil to bring them into contact with soil organisms which will quickly decompose them, to both their benefit and that of the tree/bush. Above tree line, place them under the nearest large rock/boulder. About as LNT as it gets, IMO, although I realize that the theoreticians among us will disagree. From my perspective, it gets an odiferous material out of your backpack, where it may well attract curious bears.

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    Bob Gross
    BPL Member

    @b-g-2-2

    Locale: Silicon Valley

    I agree with Tom. Theoretically, the LNT purists would tell us not to scatter anything out there in the wilderness. Practically, it doesn't matter much to me. I have been known to let tea bags dry out in the air, and then I tear them open, scatter the tea leaves, and pack out the rest. If it is an area where campfires are permitted (pretty rare these days), I might burn up the rest in a campfire. I agree, I am trying to get the smelly stuff out of my backpack.

    If I am going to be in an area that is more sensitive, then I might carry instant coffee packets instead. I can use those and then carry out the empty foil packet.

    –B.G.–

    #2198267
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    "I have been known to let tea bags dry out in the air, and then I tear them open, scatter the tea leaves, and pack out the rest."

    Exactly. Thanks for fleshing out the idea, Bob.

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    Matt Dirksen
    BPL Member

    @namelessway

    Locale: Mid Atlantic

    If I'm allowed to bury my feces in an area where I'm hiking, I believe that leaving being highly compostable items is fine as well.

    If I'm in areas where I must pack out everything, including my #2's, then the tea bags stay with me.

    #2198286
    Anonymous
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    "If I'm allowed to bury my feces in an area where I'm hiking, I believe that leaving being highly compostable items is fine as well.

    If I'm in areas where I must pack out everything, including my #2's, then the tea bags stay with me."

    That about sums it up. You're an eminently reasonable man, Matt.

    #2198304
    Matt Dirksen
    BPL Member

    @namelessway

    Locale: Mid Atlantic

    "You're an eminently reasonable man, Matt."

    Especially toward my tea bags and #2's!

    ;>D

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    Jim C
    BPL Member

    @jimothy

    Locale: Georgia, USA

    Thanks for the replies, everyone. It sounds like the consensus is, most places, scattering leaves should be just fine.

    Incidentally, I live in the southeast, where fires are generally allowed and I have put my tea leaves in the campfire before (and where you're never really above tree line, though there are a few balds). But I'm trying to make a summer trip out west each year; last year, it was Wyoming and this Auguest, it'll be Idaho. So it's good to find about about practices in the areas I can't get to often.

    The #2 rule is a good rule of thumb; I'll definitely keep that in mind.

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