- Mar 2, 2017 at 6:29 pm #3454030Nick OtisBPL Member
Yeah, I’ve been curious about them. Sexy construction and great ideas. But you’re right, they don’t appear very custom, and they’re fairly expensive.Mar 25, 2017 at 1:12 pm #3459370M CBPL Member
New pic of the new Zero on the Packs website …Mar 25, 2017 at 10:37 pm #3459496Nick OtisBPL Member
Welp. Quite a different concept than the old version if you ask me. I’m disappointed.
I also asked ZPacks if they’d modify an older model (e.g., add water bottle pockets) if I got one used, and they said no.Mar 26, 2017 at 1:12 am #3459506Alex WillowsBPL Member
Bob, you mentioned the original Zero (stuff sack with shoulder straps). This is pretty much what I’m after for an upcoming trip across multiple continents doing some walking/backpacking. I’m looking for something that can do double duty as a stuff sack and a light day pack for the plane, occasional daytrips, summits etc. I came across the original Zero and thought it looked perfect, but clearly it is no longer quite the same.
Are there any other good similar options that anybody knows of? I saw the HMG Stuff Pack which looks great, but is slightly heavier at ~4oz. Happy to get that if that’s the best option, as by all accounts it’s a well made piece of kit, and could hold a fair bit of stuff too, but some other options to consider would be nice too!Mar 26, 2017 at 2:48 am #3459513Robert AlexanderBPL Member
I like it but I suppose it remains to be seen
-how people are going to miss all the customization options. Remember how Burger King gained market share with the “Your Way” campaign by responding to McDonald’s? I do understand Zpacks’ position, though. Everything custom all the time is indeed labor intensive.
-how the price is going to affect the sales. I find it competitive but slightly discouraging. If anything that will keep the wait in check. They may make more money on shelters so they can price the packs a little higher to control the demand but that’s just speculation. And do note that I think the packs will likely deliver good value simply because Zpacks historically has.Mar 26, 2017 at 7:03 am #3459522James MarcoBPL Member
@jamesdmarcoLocale: Finger Lakes
Well, overall, I am rather unimpressed. Both the weight and the price hurt it IMHO. Also, the pad keeper is far from useful, other than to add 200-400ci to the volume.
Pad keepers need to hold the pad rather securely, else it will buckle. while many do not use any sort of pad keeper, preferring instead to simply roll up and tie it on to a pack, a CCF pad can supply a significant boost in support to an otherwise frameless pack. For example, my GG Murmur is rated at 20lb, 15lb for comfort. I typically carry 30 pounds comfortably with a fan-fold pad in the pad keeper(40lb max.) You can see the problem clearly in the picture posted above. With a very light weight, you can see the pad is already starting to buckle. A couple pad pockets would secure the upper third and lower third firmly preventing the collapse.Mar 26, 2017 at 9:30 am #3459550matthew kModerator
I’m surprised everyone isn’t upset about the adjustable suspension.Mar 26, 2017 at 9:37 am #3459551John RowanBPL Member
Honestly, it reminds me of a Burn that I want less. (Well, I own a Burn, so I don’t want anything anymore.)
Not that I’m really expecting a basic frameless pack to include some sort of earth-shattering innovation.Mar 26, 2017 at 7:27 pm #3459698Dylan AtkinsonBPL Member
Matthew – the adjustable suspension was one of the first things I noticed in the new design. It looks pretty simple, but seems antithetical to the idea of a frameless pack. I understand zPacks wants to get away from customizations but this just seems too far in the opposite direction. Most cottage manufactures offer at least different torso sizes..Mar 26, 2017 at 7:50 pm #3459700
I sorta ‘get’ it but, yes, it is strange for a minimalist to have those adjusters…. and it looks like ‘load lifters’ as well (lifting what?).
Except for that—and the roll top closure’s side clips, which I also don’t prefer—it has the common options that I have on mine.
@Alex W, I don’t know how well straight-up Cuben would hold up to that sort of general travel use, but I suspect it wouldn’t fare well at all. Even the Cuben/poly hybrid doesn’t hold up to abrasion for very long, IME… I have a couple of small repairs on my Blast’s water bottle pockets and one on the pack bottom to prove it. :^/Mar 26, 2017 at 9:01 pm #3459706Alex WillowsBPL Member
Hmm, that’s disappointing to here Bob, I thought I had a good solution! Guess it might be back to separate stuff sack and small daypack idea. Cheers :)Mar 27, 2017 at 12:03 pm #3459793JustinBPL Member
@wholenoteLocale: Upper Midwest
I just recieved a notification that my KS Ultralight Tao pack shipped today, I will be happy to offer my two cents once it arrives in a week or two. Laurent is great to work with and the number of options for his packs is incredible, I think it is close to 30. I decided on the Tao with a strong mesh front pocket, sternum strap, 3D mesh back bottom, and a 25cm waterproof zippered pocket. It only cost me around $161 with shipping from Japan.Mar 27, 2017 at 12:57 pm #3459798Hoosier TBPL Member
I absolutely love my Modified Zimmerbuilt Quickstep. He was a pleasure to work with and will do pretty much anything you want. I realize the Zpacks site made it easy to go down a list and check boxes for what you wanted but a simple email to Chris is all it takes to get exactly what you want. Literally. No check boxes, drop downs, you tell him what you want and he makes it.No affiliation, just a very happy customer.Mar 27, 2017 at 2:35 pm #3459816Russ WBPL Member
@gatome83Locale: Southeastern US
I’ll play the devil’s advocate. I remember looking at the Zero and thinking how light it was.. but wait, I need a hipbelt. But wait, I need side pockets for water bottles. But wait, I need a sternum strap. But wait, I need a back pocket. Dang if the cost and weight was approaching the Blast and I just couldn’t justify it. Seems like they probably incorporated what most folks were already adding, plus a few goodies. And at 12.5 ounces, it might just be pretty nice. I don’t currently have a Zpacks backpack, but this one checks some boxes for me in the non-load hauling category. My 2 cents.Mar 27, 2017 at 4:27 pm #3459837
Russ, the options you mentioned describe the older, custom Zero I have, which with a shoulder pouch and a hip pouch weighs exactly 12 oz, so the new one with those options would weigh about 14 oz, maybe a tick more…
With the new Blast weighing about
23.5-24oz21 oz (without other options) the new-and-improved Zero still saves a respectable amount of weight, but the weight creep is undeniable.
For this reason, I would still snag an old-style 45- or 52-liter Blast if one came along! ;^)Mar 27, 2017 at 7:35 pm #3459879Russ WBPL Member
@gatome83Locale: Southeastern US
I’ll concede a few ounces of weight creep but the new pack is more robust. If only they would replace the foam sit-pad with some copper Moulder strips on the back for support….Now we’re talking! Speaking of which, do you still have one available?Mar 27, 2017 at 8:42 pm #3459899
Oops, sorry the weight on the new Blast is 21 oz (claimed, but Zpacks is a stickler on this for obvious reasons, so it’s likely accurate…) therefore the weight creep isn’t as bad as that. I was thinking of the Haul.
I’ll PM ya, Russ, about the copper frame supports, lol.Mar 27, 2017 at 9:57 pm #3459914matthew kModerator
Massive thread creep but I knew a guy in Brooklyn who road around on a bike with a straight tube of copper pipe for his handlebars. When I expressed extreme concern he explained that he packed the bars with some electrical wire (“rebar”) and plaster of paris and that he tightly capped the ends while expecting the plaster to expand a little while it cured. He rode that stupid setup to work every day for a couple years and they never broke.
Isn’t there a quote about the fine line between stupid and genius?Mar 28, 2017 at 5:07 am #3459945
At least they’d likely bend before breaking!
Not so much about the fine line between stupidity and genius, but I like this one:
“One thing that humbles me deeply is to see that human genius has its limits while human stupidity does not.”Mar 29, 2017 at 11:54 am #3460289Packman PeteBPL Member
@packmanpeteLocale: Rainy Portland
I love Zpacks, and I particularly love my older Zero pack.
However, this new one…
I would personally prefer a much simpler version.
This looks like an Arc pack without the frame.
Delete the load lifters (???), delete the adjustable shoulder straps, delete the pad holder, and sell it for $170. With options for color and material.
It looks like Zpacks is trying to use a universal shoulder harness for all their packs, but I feel the minimalist style should have a more streamlined and basic setup. Less straps, less weight, less worry.Apr 3, 2017 at 3:22 pm #3461298M CBPL Member
Looks like the newest iteration of the Zero is up. Clever name change.
Also the final product looks to have some small changes as compared to the image posted last week.
Looks like the conveyor belt torso adjustment system is gone in favor of moving the hip belt up and down to dial-in to the torso length.
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