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Ben CBPL Member
Interesting little conservative utopia Prager has dreamt up. Among other things, I like that he is not going to allow discussion of things like “Global Warming” because they are political.
I’m also not sure why he thinks young people can’t be trusted with the freedom to explore certain subjects and issues. It seems it’s mostly because they conflict with the Prager/conservative point of view.Jan 12, 2018 at 10:01 pm #3512087
or, why can’t they discuss tobacco?Jan 12, 2018 at 10:10 pm #3512088
Isn’t this what something like 45% to 55% of old, white, materially well off men think and feel?
There are some relatively good points made here and there, but it’s a bit narrow also. And definitely more than a bit polarized to the head/intellect.Jan 12, 2018 at 10:12 pm #3512089
maybe wearing uniforms would be even better than a dress codeJan 12, 2018 at 10:20 pm #3512092
The last part was particularly funny. *True account: the man primarily responsible for getting public schools to start pledging the allegiance to the flag in the 50’s, owned a company that made American flags.
Ah, quintessential America. Corporatism and greed dressed up in “patriotism” and “good deeds”. Snakes in suits.
*Edit, what I said was inaccurate–see Doug’s below post for the accurate version. I was speaking from passing memory of hearing about this a long time ago.
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Franco DarioliBPL Member
The Bellamy salute :Jan 12, 2018 at 11:24 pm #3512101
“True account: the man primarily responsible for getting public schools to start pledging the allegiance to the flag in the 50’s, owned a company that made American flags.”
Schools were pledging allegiance to the flag well before the 50s. In 1888, James Upham, head of the Premium Department of “The Youth’s Companion” magazine (not a flag making company, though they did sell them) launches a School Flag Movement, a four-year campaign to introduce U.S. flags in school classrooms in order to sell flags and promote patriotism. This was a few years before the pledge of allegiance was written (it was written in 1892, and it probably had more to do with creating a holiday to honor Columbus’ discovery of America than selling flags).
Interesting tidbit: The Atlantic Monthly took over The Youth’s Companion in 1925.
More here.Jan 12, 2018 at 11:34 pm #3512103
Ben CBPL Member
Forced patriotism is certainly the sign of a healthy democracy. ;)Jan 12, 2018 at 11:48 pm #3512107
healthy democracy adds “under god”
afraid of commiesJan 13, 2018 at 2:20 am #3512124
jeffrey armbrusterBPL Member
@bookLocale: Northern California
White guy tells us how the world would be so much better if he ran the joint. News flash: you do!
“I’m going to inform you of the new reality…some things are gonna change!” he says to an audience of cats. This was made by a guy who’s never taught at high school. He thinks teenagers will respect him. Because, you know, he’s just like Jay-z (or whoever it is the youngsters** like today).
**I’m channeling Ed SullivanJan 13, 2018 at 3:30 am #3512130
Ben 2 WorldBPL Member
@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
Speaking as a first generation immigrant-made-citizen… I wholeheartedly support #1-5– but have a huge reservation against Point 6.Jan 13, 2018 at 3:42 am #3512133
Nick, you troll…Jan 13, 2018 at 5:36 am #3512149
Thank you for the correction Doug.Jan 13, 2018 at 6:40 am #3512164
Jan 13, 2018 at 7:40 am #3512166
- No longer honor race or ethnicity – Completely disagree with this. There’s nothing wrong, and can be much right, in a sense of pride in one’s heritage and one’s forebears, which includes race and ethnicity. History is a wonderful thing. There’s a big difference between treating everyone the same regardless of their race or ethnicity (good) and not honoring someone’s race or ethnicity (bad). This guy sounds like he grew up doing the Bellamy Salute…
- Starts out okay, kids leaving an American school speaking English as fluently as possible is certainly a positive thing. But then he goes on to say that it’s not the right school if you want classes taught in your native language. So the folks who come to this country not speaking any English, but desiring to learn and become good citizens, are out of luck. While ‘total immersion’ might be a good way to learn a language, I’m not so sure it’s a good way to learn other things until a basic competency in the ‘host’ language is established.
- I don’t have a big issue with this, but I don’t think it’s so cut and dried, either. In this piece (written in 2007), presenting a pro and con to dress codes, both authors make good points to support their views.
- I think this is a somewhat noble idea, but completely impractical in today’s society. If you want a school that actually has students, I’m not sure you can really enforce this rule, and having such a rule that you can’t really enforce is worse than not having it in the first place.
- While I think I understand what he’s trying to say (everybody can’t be a winner of everything, sometimes you lose, and you have to be able to deal with that throughout life), and agree in principle, I disagree that the only way you can gain self-esteem is to ‘earn’ it. He’s using the wrong words (self esteem), IMO. Some kids need to be taught self-esteem because their parents take it away from them daily, or their classmates do, or siblings do, etc. Learning to appreciate who you are and why you’re important is quite a positive thing, methinks, especially when those around you try to send a different message.
- Hard to even comment on such drivel. In other words, let’s stick our heads in the sand and not learn anything about history, about the world around us as it is now, and about how we can build a better world in the future. I don’t think this guy’s school would turn out students ready to excel in our multicultural country/world. It’s all about the rules, not about the education. And it doesn’t help that he’s got this smug expression on during his little rant either.
W I S N E R !BPL Member
The majority of ideas in this video seem to be coming from an educator that lacks the courage, skill, and creativity to teach effectively to a diverse population while still respecting culture and identity. So much of what Prager sadly views as a liability could be harnessed and used to great educational advantage by a good teacher/school. This was so regressive that I can’t help but interpret it as anything but an out of step rallying cry against the rising tide of global multiculturalism; the numbers aren’t in Prager’s favor.Jan 13, 2018 at 4:59 pm #3512201
If the population of an institution has a different ethnic makeup than the population as a whole, there must have been discrimination
There are exceptions, like most basketball players are black
Philosophically or sociologically, one could argue whether it makes sense to use ethnicity as a measure to undo that discrimination. If you, for example, gave an advantage to black people, it would more directly undo that past discrimination. Maybe it would be better to use income because then you’d include other groups that have been discriminated against.
Having an after school group to talk about past discrimination? If that’s what the students wanted to do, more power to them. I’d hope they’d welcome, for example, whites to the black american group. I’d hope they’d talk about past discrimination during regular school too.
Excluding global warming? That’s just taking politics into education. 10 years ago Republican politicians “accepted” global warming. Since, they’ve decided that’s a wedge issue they can exploit because old white men are dying off and they’re having to take ever more drastic actions to win elections.
Nick, you troll : )Jan 13, 2018 at 9:31 pm #3512261
jeffrey armbrusterBPL Member
@bookLocale: Northern California
deleted to avoid any misunderstanding regarding the satire of the earlier post.Jan 16, 2018 at 4:03 am #3512697
Maybe this is more palatable?
The Speech Every College Grad Needs to HearJan 16, 2018 at 4:51 am #3512702
Do you simply smile as you post these, or do you outright guffaw? :-)Jan 16, 2018 at 5:00 am #3512705
Nah, I’m becoming charitable in my old age. A friend of mine sent the links to me and I’m sharing them as a public service.Jan 16, 2018 at 2:57 pm #3512729
Several good ideas there, but they just give the side of the argument that supports their belief
Housing bubble was partially created by lowering loan standards so more people could get loans, but more than that is that banks were making huge profits off mortgage derivatives so they needed more mortgages to create more derivatives. The bank didn’t care about loan quality because they immediately sold it.
Education costs have escalated for many reasons. Yeah, if the government says they’ll pay, then there’s no pressure to limit cost. But also government subsidy of higher ed has gone down to pay for other things so the student has to pay a bigger share. Health care costs for employees has gone up. Pension costs have gone up. If George Will says the solution is to cut student aid, that will just make things worse. We need to make student cost less to get more people with education which will help the economy as well as individuals.
George Will just wants to cut government spending so there will be more wealth and income for the donor class.Jan 16, 2018 at 2:58 pm #3512730
And Nick, you’re trolling again : )Jan 16, 2018 at 5:03 pm #3512752
Chaff is frequently about trolling but I just checked all threads in this first page and I am glad to see the majority of them are actually interesting and seem posted without trolling intent :)
( at least the original posts. Replies are a different matter)Jan 16, 2018 at 5:46 pm #3512758
I use the term trolling as a complement, or at least neutral
It makes me laugh when someone posts something and then sits back (with popcorn in hand?) and watches a bunch of passionate responses
I can’t think of a time Nick as posted anything maliciously
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