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I’m really struggling to wrap my mind around the possibility that Dennis Rodman and Donald Trump are two of the players that may have brokered a deal that may lead to the end of the stalemate on the Korean Peninsula.
I subscribe to a few news sources on social media. Depending on which one I scroll through, I see the predictable bias and the comment section is little more than an echo chamber, shouting down anyone who poses an alternative viewpoint.
The flavor du jour with Vice in particular is that Trump gave up too much at the summit and didn’t get much in return. In my view, this is a good thing but I feel like I’m just mostly sifting through a lot of anti Trump rhetoric and that many of these journalists with Vice are willing to forgo a meaningful look at the long game here and would rather just take jabs at the prez instead. Don’t get me wrong, I totally understand and appreciate how The Don does this to himself but I do think our journalists are failing us here.
I think the best approach here is not to try and shove their nose in $#!+ but to open the doors to let capitalism sneak in. From speaking with a veteran from the Vietnam war who served there both as an Infantry Officer and with the CIA, he felt that we would’ve won the war with Cadillacs and Lincolns instead of trying to go about it with bombs and grunts.
What are your thoughts on yesterday’s events and how it’s being covered?
Jun 12, 2018 at 9:12 pm #3541716
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Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
all the Trump hating or bragging is premature
we’ll know better in a year or few
“I think the best approach here is not to try and shove their nose in $#!+ but to open the doors to let capitalism sneak in.”
Give the people I-phones, that will corrupt that nasty communismJun 12, 2018 at 9:15 pm #3541718
Agreed Jerry. Sneak in a couple million iPhones and Xboxes, and it’s lights out for CommunismJun 12, 2018 at 9:54 pm #3541730
If Kim is sincere about improving the livelihood of his people, then NK has a chance to follow China’s footstep of semi-opening up. Even half steps can bring immense benefits to people — and given the long-suffering Koreans — why not?
I have to agree with those who say it’s simply too early to tell. But while we hope for the best, let’s not forget that this is the same Kim who literally fed his own uncle (erstwhile Second in Command who groomed Kim over Kim’s older brother) to the dogs! Let’s also not forget this is the same Kim who also had his older brother killed in Malaysia just last year.
Will Kim morph into a Deng Xiao Peng (or somesuch)? Or is he still a Stalin at heart?Jun 12, 2018 at 10:30 pm #3541744
Monte MastersonBPL Member
@septimiusLocale: Changes Often
I’m not a big Trump fan, but people who don’t like the Donald will try and diminish everything he does, no matter what. And of course 90% of the main stream media will do the same thing because practically all of them carry a liberal bias. They have an agenda to undermine Trump at every turn.
I’ve always thought the joint ROK and US military exercises were very provocative. If I’m a North Korean I’m going to see it as a threat. But so many American people can’t see it because they’re suckered into thinking the North Koreans are going to attack the South. That way the US taxpayer will go along with spending billions to line the military contractors pockets with gold. Trump is already talking about how much money we’ll save by cancelling the exercises
This morning the CBS Morning Show crew harped on about Kim’s human rights abuses to Lindsey Graham, as if to say Trump shouldn’t attempt to eliminate nuclear weapons that could start WWIII because North Korea mistreats its people. They try to dog Trump at every turn.
Jun 12, 2018 at 10:36 pm #3541746
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Agreed Jerry. Sneak in a couple million iPhones and Xboxes, and it’s lights out for Communism
Or Capitalism with North Korean Characteristics?Jun 12, 2018 at 10:38 pm #3541747
I’ve little doubt those exercises are used to keep them off balance. These drills require NK to spend time and resources to keep tabs on what we’re up to and to continuously measure the threat. We simply have to formulate a plan and execute.
If Russia and Canada decided to run some joint training exercises north of our border, a whole bunch of US government employees would have their leave canceled and would be on standby.
Jun 13, 2018 at 3:03 am #3541836
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Main stream media has been doung what they do best ( every single day) : be outraged!
This was a good read, I thought. What do you think?
here’s just a bit
“One of the few Americans who can speak with authority on North Korea’s calculus regarding nuclear weapons is Joel S. Wit, who was senior adviser to the U.S. negotiator with North Korea, Ambassador Robert L. Gallucci, from 1993 to 1995, and who from 1995 to 1999 was coordinator for the 1994 “Agreed Framework” with North Korea. More importantly, Wit also participated in a series of informal meetings with North Korean officials in 2013 about North Korea’s thinking on its nuclear weapons.
At a briefing on the Trump-Kim summit last week sponsored by the website 38 North, which he started and still manages, Wit made it clear that this dismissal of North Korea’s willingness to agree to denuclearization is misguided. “Everyone underestimates the momentum behind what North Korea is doing,” he said. “It’s not a charm offensive or a tactical trick.””Jun 13, 2018 at 3:12 am #3541840
+whateverwe’reat to it’s too soon to say.
I’m not looking at the denuclearization of N. Korea as being all that important. Yes it would be nice if they didn’t have any but I think we can work our way to a better place regardless if they have them or don’t. I’m just happy that there is some dialog and opportunities for diplomacy.Jun 13, 2018 at 3:22 am #3541844
“I’m just happy that there is some dialog and opportunities for diplomacy.”
I think we all ought to be. Sometimes change and good things come to us not in the regular expected way but in some weird packages.Jun 13, 2018 at 3:29 am #3541845
I’m not sure they get weirder than this one, but we’ll take itJun 13, 2018 at 3:52 am #3541846
W I S N E R !BPL Member
I’m trying to avoid commentary on this one and just watch it as it plays out. Trump disgusts me but I won’t begrudge the man some credit if this works out.
Its completely weird…which is why I almost don’t want to think about it. Seems like it could go in any direction.Jun 13, 2018 at 4:00 am #3541847
This picture though..PotCoin and all :)Jun 13, 2018 at 4:08 am #3541850
These are the strangest daysJun 13, 2018 at 4:45 am #3541855
Strange indeed. Well, hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and always verify.Jun 13, 2018 at 8:04 am #3541875Jun 13, 2018 at 8:59 am #3541877
Chinese media expresses cautious support – probably not surprising since cessation of military drills and potential US troops withdrawal are both great news for China.Jun 14, 2018 at 2:49 am #3542029
I find it curious that almost all I read in US media is negative, including headlines of US abandoning South Korea. Then I read this:
Statement by President Moon Jae-in on the North Korea-U.S. Summit
June 12, 2018 (Unofficial translation)
I offer my heartfelt congratulations and welcome the success of the historic North Korea-United States summit.
When I met with Chairman Kim Jong Un at House of Unification (Tongilgak) in Panmunjeom on May 26, and when I spoke over the phone with President Trump yesterday, I could cautiously predict the success of the summit. Seventy years of division and hostility, however, have cast a dark shadow that makes it difficult to believe what is actually taking place before our very eyes.
I pay my high compliments for the courage and determination of the two leaders, President Trump and Chairman Kim, not to settle for that outdated and familiar reality but to take a daring step towards change.
The June 12 Sentosa Agreement will be recorded as a historic event that has helped break down the last remaining Cold War legacy on earth.
It is a great victory achieved by both the United States and the two Koreas, and a huge step forward for people across the world who long for peace.
Once again, I would like to pay my respect to President Trump who achieved a feat that no one else has ever delivered.
Chairman Kim Jong Un will also be remembered as a leader who made a historic moment by taking the first bold step toward the world.
I would like to extend my heartfelt appreciation to Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong of Singapore and many other world leaders for the great efforts they have made in order to make the summit a success.
Building upon the agreement reached today, we will take a new path going forward. Leaving dark days of war and conflict behind, we will write a new chapter of peace and cooperation. We will be there together with North Korea along the way.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>
This is just a beginning and there may be many difficulties ahead, but we will never go back to the past again and never give up on this bold journey. History is a record of people who take action and rise to a challenge.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>
My Administration will spare no effort in cooperating with the United States, North Korea and the international community to ensure that the agreement can be implemented in its entirety.
I, as President of the Republic of Korea, promise to make all-out efforts to help establish permanent peace on the Korean Peninsula and usher in a new era of co-existence and prosperity.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Jun 14, 2018 at 4:54 am #3542038
Same here Kat. I’m mostly skimming through articles that are biased towards “Trump blew it.”
I don’t even like the guy but I’m starting to think he’s not all wrong regarding “fake news.”
I’ve unsubscribed from Slate since most of their articles nowadays are something to do with how bad Trump is. Again, I’m not saying he’s a good guy but there are other stories to cover.
The Atlantic got that way for a while but it seems like they’ve roped it in some. I’m enjoying their content again.
Jun 14, 2018 at 4:55 am #3542039
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Thanks for the links Ben.Jun 15, 2018 at 4:39 pm #3542201
I watched one of the talking heads from Fox give his “Trump won nothing” take on the summit. I don’t watch Fox (or CNN/NBC/etc) but in this case I listen a little closer to what they have to say as I would ordinarily expect for them to be his cheer squad.
I still am standing with, too soon to tell, we may not know for years.Jun 15, 2018 at 6:32 pm #3542215
You are welcome, Ian.
My own hunch (because that’s all it is) is that Kim will continue to milk China, SK and the West for goodies. But he won’t totally abandon his nuclear toys (or upgrading them from time to time).
My hunch has nothing to do with my disdain toward our man-child. I simply do not trust Kim / NK.Jun 15, 2018 at 9:48 pm #3542259
President Moon Jae-in on the North Korea-U.S. Summit
I wouldn’t read too much into this. Korea, Japan, etc. are still steep in the old traditions of diplomatic politeness – esp. in public – even if they disagree. Moon may be genuinely interested in the chance of ultimate denuclearization and peace – but I would be extremely surprised that SK’s military / political leadership could be “pleased” with Trump’s offers to NK without any consultation with his SK “ally’.Jun 15, 2018 at 10:46 pm #3542280
Alexander SBPL Member
Well considering the previous media predictions that Trump was going to unleash nuclear war, I for one will accept “giving up too much” – whatever that means, as an alternative if it means opening and softening up the most brutal Marxist regime left on the planet.
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