Nov 9, 2019 at 4:03 pm #3617907
My youngest goes to an art high school and attended a field trip to Disney Animation Studios yesterday. As gifts, all the kids were given
surveillance devicesGoggle Home Minis. Not needing a new surveillance devicebluetooth speaker, it was given to me; I figure it’ll be handy for being spied onmusic in the garage and backyard.
Now, of course, it’s listening.
And it wants access to all of my contacts and friends.
It wants access to my calendars.
It wants access to my Spotify account and wants to be given permission to make changes.
It wants my address.
It wants to know Doug’s mother’s maiden name.
It wanted a whole lot of information from me in order to work…
“He thought of the telescreen with its never-sleeping ear. They could spy upon you night and day, but if you kept your head you could still outwit them…” -George Orwell, 1984.
I’d never have one of those things in my home! you say…Meanwhile your phones and computers already do this. Haven’t Google and Apple already been sued for location tracking even when the tracking is supposed to be off? And listening in with phones? And sharing everything accessed on your screen with third parties? And all of your relationships tracked through social media, contact lists, and text/call logs? And even if the specifics of every conversation aren’t being recorded, aren’t we in a day and age in which the metadata collected on an individual paints a perfectly clear picture of who they are, where they are, what they’re up to?
Funny thing, Orwell probably couldn’t have imagined people willingly doing this to themselves; early dystopians seemed to always envision surveillance being forced upon us by a heavy-handed Big Brother, not proliferating through simple consumerism and convenience.
We’ve really done it this time.
But hey, it’s pretty darn cool to say “Hey Google, play Dread Lion by The Upsetters” and then the music plays…Nov 9, 2019 at 4:16 pm #3617908
Say something about some product in front of the speaker, like talk about beds, maybe “should I buy a sleep number bed or a memory foam bed”
Then, see if mattress ads start appearing on your computerNov 9, 2019 at 6:18 pm #3617935IanBPL Member
“Siri, play album ten thousand days”
”Album not found”
”Siri, play album one zero zero zero zero days”
”Here’s ten thousand days by Tool”
I anxiously wait for the rise of the machines but it appears 2019 won’t be my year.Nov 9, 2019 at 6:34 pm #3617945
Maybe you’re waiting on the wrong machine? Apple makes pretty products but Google is much, much smarter. And they’ve positioned themselves far better for the future of AI by dominating the search engine market market (not to mention all of the world’s information contained in Docs, Slides, Sheets…etc.); Google probably knows humanity better than any other platform.
Off for a solo in the hills for the rest of the weekend now. Leaving electronics at home; crossing my fingers that I’ll be safe from the robots and The Deep State for a few days…Nov 9, 2019 at 9:14 pm #3617953
it began a long time ago
this might be the way it endsNov 10, 2019 at 3:28 am #3617991Daryl and DarylBPL Member
@lyrad1Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
“It wants to know Doug’s mother’s maiden name.”
Made me laugh.Nov 10, 2019 at 4:13 am #3617998
I have zero interest in integrating this kind of technology in my daily life willingly.Nov 14, 2019 at 6:52 am #3618645
Wisner, your shoe lace is undone.Nov 14, 2019 at 3:02 pm #3618672
Ken – ok boomer : )Nov 14, 2019 at 4:06 pm #3618681KatttBPL Member
^^^ except Ken is too young to be boomer.Nov 16, 2019 at 1:57 pm #3619071
My life is simple enough I don’t need help from a machine. More importantly I don’t feel like I am missing out on anything.Nov 17, 2019 at 6:17 pm #3619177
At the end of the day, I’m struggling to understand the qualitative difference between a “home assistant” device and a smartphone. Both are always listening, both essentially provide the same function, with the added layer of the smartphone actually tracking your location, having a camera on it, accessing/tracking email and social media, etc.. Seems rather arbitrary to me to be so concerned about one but wholly embrace the other.Nov 17, 2019 at 6:24 pm #3619179IanBPL Member
Fair point Craig. I don’t think we fully know how much these devices spy on us.
I use Siri quite a bit and find it useful, but I understand why people are turned off by the idea.Nov 17, 2019 at 6:32 pm #3619182
I don’t use Siri and keep analytics and as much other crap turned off. But the I hardly use the phone as a phone, mostly an alarm clock. I don’t wholly embrace, but tolerate.Nov 17, 2019 at 6:34 pm #3619183
“I don’t think we fully know how much these devices spy on us.”
To say the least! I don’t think we’ll ever know. But every time I look into the subject I find new reports about location tracking even when “off”, the ability for a third party to use the camera and mic remotely even when “off”, accessing and sharing the information held on the phone, and all sorts of other very questionable features that we no doubt agreed to somewhere in the fine print of our user agreements.
Again, I’d call it Orwellian but in Orwell’s world this was forced on people by a totalitarian regime, not willingly purchased at Best Buy. How strange.Nov 17, 2019 at 6:39 pm #3619187
It’s been pretty much forced on us. Find a pay phone. Try to purchase from Amazon without a computer. Email for this and that. Now I do agree that the access and sharing information has been truly awesome. But we pay the price with the unawsome.Nov 17, 2019 at 6:46 pm #3619188
“It’s been pretty much forced on us.”
I agree, just not forced on us in a heavy-handed sort of way (like so many of the dystopian writers predicted). It’s a slow creep. Which is probably the most effective; the average person’s privacy has been completely compromised without raising any sense of alarm whatsoever.Nov 17, 2019 at 6:54 pm #3619189
I wrote my master’s thesis on Word instead of Docs, but I’m increasingly shifting towards the latter. I often wonder about Google’s ability to data-mine every bit of research being done on their platform, essentially owning all of the information being produced by all of academia. Think of the position this puts them in, potentially having their finger on the pulse of everything yet to be published as well as our culture at large, ranging from banal high school English papers to political opinion pieces written by Berkeley grad students.
Not sure Word vs. Docs makes much difference though, I’m sure Microsoft has back doors into Word if they wanted them.Nov 17, 2019 at 11:25 pm #3619239Roger CaffinModerator
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
I’m sure Microsoft has back doors into Word if they wanted them.
Into the recent web-based versions of Word – maybe. Who knows?
But NOT into an older version of Word running on my PC.
CheersNov 18, 2019 at 2:25 am #3619254Sarah KirkconnellBPL Member
@sarbarLocale: Homesteading On An Island In The PNW
Find a pay phone.
Hilariously….on our island, on the south end, the local telecom has left up all the payphones and they are free to use. They are hidden all over. One sits on the main road down the island, it is the barrier between central and where the south end hides behind that invisible barrier. Some nights it blinks in the fog a bit. I always wonder if anyone catches the transit bus there or does it freak them out….as the light flickers in the shelter.Nov 18, 2019 at 2:37 am #3619257
Of course here, genetic engineering has resulted in mobile phone connection ports developing in the fetus so that at birth, the mobile is just plugged in by the midwife. Lawmakers are debating whether to advance the engineering to form 5G capable organic phone nodules in the fetus by the end of the first trimester so that the fetus can communicate for the remaining two trimesters with various POIs and SMSs, though the main intention is for the fetus to access the online educational system, and gain a further 6 month educational advantage.Nov 18, 2019 at 3:38 am #3619278Roger CaffinModerator
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
gain a further 6 month educational advantage.
Well, maybe a few days educational advantage.
All the rest of the 6 months will have been sold to the advertising companies so the baby is born with a desire to immediately buy … McDonalds? Or maybe to vote Republican forever?
CheersNov 18, 2019 at 3:54 am #3619282
OK Boomers indeedNov 18, 2019 at 3:57 am #3619283
The Boston bombing incident proved that we are Big Brother.Nov 18, 2019 at 3:57 am #3619284
Very good! (referring to the Cerebrum communicator).
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