- May 17, 2018 at 5:05 am #3536151
It’s all in the wording isn’t it? You didn’t even read one of the two linked articles, but you turn that around to me “lumping” them together. As for your comments being limited to the first one, that’s the one that caused such visceral upheaval? It seems pretty tame compared to just the title of the second one (as displayed in JM’s second post), but okay.
To the extent you respond to the question posed, I see you are backtracking to now say you view the Onion piece (you read) as intended to be “lighthearted, borderline humorous.” Of course this is much different from your original, as you say, bombastic claim that was written as a “sick joke” to provide readers with “chuckles or “belly laughs.”
What I have tried to convey here is how millions of people for whom this is an existential issue would be likely to view this article were they to read it.
That’s the second time you’ve claimed to be able to speak for people involved in the conflict. And your statement necessarily implies that people on both sides of the conflict would view the Onion piece(s) the same. We’ll agree to disagree on that one.
I am pretty sure it got more than a few chuckles out there in the hinterlands, as well in certain circles inside The Beltway, and perhaps, sadly, even a few belly laughs in some crowds.
See, this is one of the real disconnects – laugh about what? Where’s the joke? Seriously, I would be very interested to hear from anyone else that read the Onion pieces as intending to be haha-type funny, or that read them and giggled, or dare say, belly laughed?
Okay, on the part where I caused you grave insult and you are now “done” with me. You wrote that I could “double up to [my] heart’s content and declare victory. It matters not to me.” Certainly sounded like an “I’m done with you.” So I responded “I’m pleased you have such an open mind,” and added a emoticon smiley. I haven’t been on BPL long, but to pretend that’s a discussion ending insult, well…okay….
But I do want to say that I likely caused part of this whole kerfuffle with poor word choice. Because I think if anything gave you a “visceral” reaction, it was my use of the word “stunned” in my first post. It’s sort of inflammatory. I could’ve said any number of things to make the same point but without causing what was plainly taken as personal offense.
Anyways, the good thing is, at least as to you, I get the last word in since you have summarily dismissed me. :)May 17, 2018 at 5:15 am #3536152
For my part, I did not read the links, but simply reacted to the first link title (the OP) – which made me chuckle. I think of such an approach as black humor, of trying to make rather desperate situations in part tolerable. But our ability to ignore widespread suffering in the world is a bit too much to take.
I’m following you with the first sentence (not actually reading linked articles but commenting as if we know what they must say seems to happen a lot), and I’m still okay following you with the second sentence (even though there is really no “haha humor” in the pieces), but then we get to the third sentence and …
Whoa! Where did that come from? At least to the extent we are still talking about the OP’s first two posts and the linked articles, that third sentence is a total disconnect. Of course, maybe you meant to go off on an altogether different topic and there is no particular connection?May 17, 2018 at 5:55 am #3536156
Robert MeurantBPL Member
The wording of the first LINK was:
“JERUSALEM—Declaring that it was long past time for his people to live once again on their ancestral soil, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly began calling Thursday for the Israeli return to their ancient homeland of Iran. “The land of Iran has long been part of our heritage, and we implore the international community to work with us to ensure its return to the independent Jewish state,” said Netanyahu”.
I think that is pretty adequate material on which to base an initial response – as I am rather busy working – and it did make me chuckle. I just haven’t had the time to pursue it further. Perhaps you are confusing me with Tom, actually he and I are not the same person.
The attitudes towards Middle East situations including Iran/Israel are often glossed over, ignored, over-simplified, as is the refugee crisis worldwide, which has now apparently magically and conveniently ceased to exist. Spending time in some of the countries plagued by extreme poverty, oppression, communal violence etc. does profoundly transform one’s reality. I think Tom’s reaction is triggered by somewhat similar insights, and I can to a limited degree understand where it is coming from, and agree with his sentiment. I for one am writing in part about the actual reality on the ground, not the niceties of online discourse that it seems offend your sensibilities.
I’m not really interested in having a scrap with you either, as I’m deep inside adaptive linear neuron based third-order PLLs that apparently improve the accuracy of absolute magnetic encoders, having bounced in short measure from ABCB11 gene encoding ATP binding cassette subfamily B member 11 (ABCB11), which transporter is called the bile salt export pump (BSEP) or sister of P-glycoprotein (sPgp), given that ABCB11 transports taurocholate and other cholate conjugates from hepatocytes to the bile, its activity being the major determinant of bile formation and bile flow, and mutations in this gene causing familial intrahepatic cholestasis, by way of the bestselling computational fluid dynamics (CFD) being a powerful tool to model fluid flow motions for momentum, mass, and energy transfer, CFD being widely used to simulate the flow pattern and temperature distribution during the thermal processing of foods, and of course the gripping resveratrol analog, N-(4-methoxy-phenyl)-3,5-dimethoxy-benzamide inducing G2/M phase cell cycle arrest and apoptosis in HeLa human cervical cancer cells – who could put it down – so you will excuse me if I concentrate on other matters.May 17, 2018 at 5:58 am #3536157May 17, 2018 at 6:01 am #3536159May 17, 2018 at 6:18 am #3536163
THIS is why we are the mess we are……this great exceptional society!
Our heads inserted so deep up dark orifices that we can neither see nor hear nor smell the world around us. Yes there IS a world out there……
I know I laughed when I first landed on these shores and watched the first Superbowl – the winning team declared themselves “World Champions”! But no teams or people from any other part of the “world” had participated. No matter they said.May 17, 2018 at 6:34 am #3536167May 17, 2018 at 7:05 am #3536168
“It was a life changing experience for me in many, many ways, among them that not everything is fair game for ridicule, mockery, trivialization, and the like.“
You know I love you, but I do want to leave you with one final thought. None of us, including myself, have the final say in what’s open for satire, and as you mention, ridicule, mockery, and trivialization.
You took a few jabs at me the other day including a reference to my peacekeeping mission in the Balkans. While it was an important chapter in my life, it’s certainly open for discussion, debate, and humor of sorts. For me, almost nothing is sacred or settled. If there’s a better way of looking at something, I’ll consider what you have to say.
But you can’t have it both ways. If this satirical article (that’s condemning of Israel if anything) isn’t your cup of tea, you need to consider if all that you say and do in humor/satire is received in a similar way by others.
I’m not asking you to change anything, or not to thrash on me in Chaff, but take a moment to consider what I’ve said here, and also take into consideration that we all process tragedies in different ways, and just because it’s not your way doesn’t mean it’s wrong.May 17, 2018 at 8:38 am #3536177
Franco DarioliBPL Member
Somehow this reminds me of :May 17, 2018 at 4:09 pm #3536224
@rmeurant, Looks like once again I had a failure to communicate. :) I simply meant that your third sentence (“But our ability to ignore widespread suffering in the world is a bit too much to take”) appeared to take the discussion onto what seems a different issue than the “intended as funny or not” one, and wondered whether that was intentional. To what extent “we” ignore widespread suffering in the world is certainly an interesting question/topic.
But if I understand your comment correctly now, I take it to mean that the outrage some people apparently feel over “our [asserted] ability to ignore widespread suffering in the world” might possibly inform (or color) a person’s reaction to the Onion articles (or headlines for those that don’t read actually them). I don’t think I’d disagree with that. (H/T to recent comments on double negatives.)
Anyways, as to the other stuff you included in your response, I don’t really understand it. I’ve never met the sister of P-glycoprotein, though I hear she’s from a superfamily. Nor do I know Adaline (is she related to Madaline?). And truth be told, I’m not really fond of liver anyways. But it certainly sounds interesting. Best of luck with it.May 17, 2018 at 4:23 pm #3536228
@whitehatguy you have a great combo of humor, no nonsense and humility. Nice to have you in chaffMay 17, 2018 at 10:03 pm #3536302
“You took a few jabs at me the other day including a reference to my peacekeeping mission in the Balkans. While it was an important chapter in my life, it’s certainly open for discussion, debate, and humor of sorts. For me, almost nothing is sacred or settled. If there’s a better way of looking at something, I’ll consider what you have to say.”
Without even a second thought, Ian, if my comments were hurtful you have my apologies. I don’t post trying to hurt people in general, but you are on a short list of people who, when I do inadvertently step over the line, I take it to heart even more seriously. I sense this is one of those times, and I am sorry. Given your background, I should have known that your experience in the Balkans was not fair game for “jerking your chain”. As for a serious discussion of the subject, maybe another time, when conditions are a bit more settled? Or maybe never. It’s at least half up to you.
“But you can’t have it both ways. If this satirical article (that’s condemning of Israel if anything) isn’t your cup of tea, you need to consider if all that you say and do in humor/satire is received in a similar way by others.
I’m not asking you to change anything, or not to thrash on me in Chaff, but take a moment to consider what I’ve said here, and also take into consideration that we all process tragedies in different ways, and just because it’s not your way doesn’t mean it’s wrong.”
Your larger point is also taken to heart. I got into this thread with reservations, and the farther I got into the more I began to regret how I was coming across. You have boiled it down quite well, and saved me a lot of thrashing around to get to where you have brought things with your post. Self examination is never an easy process. Thanks for providing a short cut. Maybe something good came out of this one after all.May 17, 2018 at 10:11 pm #3536304
“Self examination is never an easy process.”
I find using a mirror helps, and doing it in the shower.
Or are we talking about something else?May 17, 2018 at 10:33 pm #3536309
I think everyone on this thread meant well. Things get weird on forums .May 17, 2018 at 10:56 pm #3536311
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
especially when Doug starts talking about looking at himself naked in the shower : )May 17, 2018 at 11:13 pm #3536313
Since Doug makes the whole forum a better place we’ll let him be goofy ( and do his naked bit) every now and then.May 18, 2018 at 12:21 am #3536324
“I find using a mirror helps, and doing it in the shower.”
When it comes to self examination, everything is fair game. ;0)May 18, 2018 at 12:41 am #3536331
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
Maybe he’s looking for ticks?May 18, 2018 at 3:01 am #3536357
It’s seriously no problem. In the big scheme I’d things the Balkans peacekeeping mission was a low intensity mission for our military compared to other things that were going on in the 90s. Not so much for the locals. I do understand the dynamic between Russia vs the US behind the scenes, as My company was part of that chess game. We can discuss this all later over a beer. I’ll refrain from discussing brands for the moment…
Back to this thread, satire to me is just an outlet to laugh at the absurdity of a situation. For me, I’m not laughing at anyone’s suffering or misfortune. I’ve unapologetically turned off the news. I get the big picture. I don’t need a blow by blow accountMay 18, 2018 at 8:13 pm #3536472
“We can discuss this all later over a beer.”
“I’ll refrain from discussing brands for the moment…”
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