- Mar 14, 2019 at 3:31 am #3583410
A recipe for schoolyard disaster:
Invent a device that allows children to get high or get their nicotine buzz on that fits neatly in the palm of one’s hand. Let’s also make sure we can dupe unsuspecting parents by making them mistakable for a flash drive.
Make sure it requires no matches or lighter and is completely silent.
The exhaled vapor should dissipate quickly so it can be blown into a backpack next to a desk, a locker in the hall, or down the front of a thick jacket or sweatshirt in the middle of class.
The vapor should smell innocuous like watermelon, cotton candy, sugar-plum fairies, or some other sickly-sweet chemical concoction; which all happen to be the exact same scents that teenage girls and boys bathe themselves in on a daily basis. We’ll make sure that parents and teachers can’t be entirely sure if a kid is vaping, eating Jolly Rancher candies, or bathing themselves in the latest lotion offering from the Body Shop.
Or better yet, make them smell like absolutely nothing at all.
Then make them available everywhere; shipped to a friend’s house via Amazon, in every corner liquor store, or in any of the licensed pot shops now dotting the city and advertising by billboard.
After all of these steps are complete, act like you don’t understand why 12 year olds are getting caught using them at recess, why high school kids are getting suspended with them at alarming rates, and teachers are wracked with anxiety because they can’t turn their backs on kids for a half-second without them trying to inhale something.
I smell a winner! Or was that Fruit Loop eJuice?Mar 14, 2019 at 3:35 am #3583412
And don’t forget adding a splash of social media to help egg it all on…Mar 14, 2019 at 2:39 pm #3583445
jeffrey armbrusterBPL Member
@bookLocale: Northern California
and it’s not just kids. One of my co workers will vape inside our store.
These things are a bad idea for sure. Would libertarians and others scream if they were outlawed?
And actually given the history with addiction and crack and smoking, especially teenage smoking…how did these devices get approved to begin with? Or didn’t they fall under any regulatory scrutiny? Or did people buy the ‘these are a healthier way to smoke’ argument?Mar 14, 2019 at 3:06 pm #3583457
It’s my understanding that the underage usage rates are skyrocketing so quickly that the FDA is investigating many of the manufacturers for targeting children. Many actually come in the form of toys or candy-like objects. How much more overt can you be?
I’m not much a fan of reefer madness style hysteria, nor telling adults what they should or shouldn’t put in their bodies. But minors? The way this is spreading among kids is pretty disturbing and I get a front-row seat. I’ve seen many drugs come and go over 18 years of teaching, everything from meth to kids ODing on Xanax in school, but the proliferation and ease of use in this case is something entirely new.Mar 14, 2019 at 5:52 pm #3583491
maybe they should outlaw the flavors? I think they’re considering that. Sellers should better check age and authorities bust stores for not doing this.
They ought to study underage usage and try different techniques to control this. Also study if there are health benefits to using a vape compared to combustion
“licensed pot shops now dotting the city and advertising by billboard”
Billboards on freeway – marijuana store at next exit. Enough product on hand ready to satisfy years of usage so prices are dropping. A store on every corner.
It’s good that prohibition is over but they need to crack down. They should only allow a small sign at the store. Maybe reduce the number of shops. Control prices at a fairly high level – they could tax them more. They’ll address this eventually.
I think they can also use marijuana in vapers. I would assume the exhale would smell though so maybe not so bad.Mar 14, 2019 at 7:53 pm #3583518
Daryl and DarylBPL Member
@lyrad1Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
I don’t know where this plays into this complex issue but I can say that, personally, smelling someone’s 2nd hand vaping is just as unpleasant as smelling cig smoke from the same person.
So an attractive woman hoping to win my hand would not have a better chance of doing so if she switched from smoking to vaping.Mar 14, 2019 at 9:51 pm #3583535
Franco DarioliBPL Member
don’t worry Daryl, you and I are both very safe from being seduced by attractive women.
Or most women for that matter….Mar 15, 2019 at 1:40 am #3583602Mar 15, 2019 at 2:47 am #3583615
And of course these eJuice flavors couldn’t possibly be marketed to kids…Mar 15, 2019 at 4:20 am #3583636
Franco DarioliBPL Member
Next they will have Bart Simpson or Bugs bunny on the cover.
This is how you buy cigarettes in Australia :
note that the brand is at the bottom in small writing. All brands have the same photos.
Smokers have dropped from 24% of the adult population in 2001 to a bit under 13% now.
however when it comes to vaping , we have the same problem
plenty more in this linkMar 15, 2019 at 11:52 am #3583650
Todd StoughBPL Member
Vaping is viewed as cool, I see adults doing it and clearly they think they are cool. Heck the other day some old rich guy in his super expensive BMW was doing it while blocking traffic. People keep their windows open so they can blow huge plumes of smoke out. There is always going to be something that is dumb but viewed as cool. Look at all the people with tattoos all over or terrible face peircings. It is not worth worrying about it and certainly not worth a new law. Remember every law that is passed ends with “or we will shoot you”. It’s not worth shooting a kid to get him to not vape.Mar 15, 2019 at 12:35 pm #3583652
I’ve got tattoos all over Todd. And here I was about to invite you to Thanksgiving dinner….tsk tsk.Mar 15, 2019 at 2:46 pm #3583671
Todd StoughBPL Member
lol.Mar 15, 2019 at 3:24 pm #3583675
I have noticed people at my advanced age don’t find body tattoos and piercings appealing. It sort of makes me nauseous. Maybe these youngsters will make up for it by doing something about global warming or something. Youngsters always do things to shock adults. Partly intentionally, and partly just because doing things differently seems shocking to old people. I just try not to make any reaction or say something stupid when I see someone with a lot of body “art”.
I don’t think the government should do things to stop people doing dumb things. Maybe smoking marijuana would be a good example. But it’s great the Australian cigarette packages look like that. People getting lung cancer and emphysema costs society a large amount. The manufacturers can use sophisticated marketing to get people to use them which makes the cigarette companies wealthy and furthers the inequity of wealth between the super wealthy and the rest of us. Like marketing cigarettes to kids? How can anyone with a conscious do that? Is it worth doing anything just to make a buck? That is a perfect example how unregulated capitalism is a problem.
Vaping gives people the nicotine without the combustion products. That is likely healthier. If that is scientifically verified, people should be allowed that choice. Maybe vaping is somewhat healthier, but it would be better to just get people to quit totally, and having vaping as a choice will result in a bunch of users that end up less healthy, which is the current opinion of experts. Lets see the data so we can make informed choices. If something is really dangerous and addictive, require those Australian cigarette packages.Mar 15, 2019 at 6:53 pm #3583711
jared hBPL Member
don’t forget about heavy metal toxicity from vaping. not sure if second-hand vapor has been studied, but the user gets it. also not sure about it’s health impact relative to cigarettes…certainly not good either way. has the added bonus of giving kids who vape without nicotine something to harm their systems.Mar 15, 2019 at 8:11 pm #3583725
I think some vape systems have heavy metal exposure and others don’t
That ought to be public informationMar 15, 2019 at 8:36 pm #3583736
jared hBPL Member
from what i’ve read, the heavy metal comes from both the juice (some brands, not sure how many) and the coil itself (can you vape without a coil? must use some form of super heated metal right?).
agreed…should be public information. i doubt they are going to volunteer it.Mar 15, 2019 at 11:52 pm #3583780
Justin WBPL Member
Theoretically, you could use carbon (as a heating element), and it would be cheap as well.Mar 16, 2019 at 3:32 pm #3583855
I think if you heat to the vaporization temperature it’s not so bad, If you heat it further to the combustion temperature it will also vaporize heavy metals.
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