- Oct 18, 2017 at 9:02 pm #3497473
David OlsenBPL Member
@bivysack-com-2Locale: Channeled Scab Lands
Just googled this-
“”In certain circumstances, the use of noise suppression devices fitted to firearms in strictly controlled circumstances is reasonable and necessary,” the ACT Government explained.”
I bet the Oz crime rate hasn’t changed despite this flagrant disregard for public safety. /S/Oct 18, 2017 at 10:51 pm #3497492
“What was the modification anyway?”
Tom, there was no modification, other than the ‘this post has been reported…’ notice. I don’t know if the ‘this reply was modified by Micheal L” message appears on other peoples’ computers below that particular post. It does on mine. It’s a first for me. Might have just been a weird computer glitch. No biggy; just kind of funny.
If Michael had actually modified that post, it would read ‘just a bit’ different!Oct 18, 2017 at 11:00 pm #3497495
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
I suspect that it is just a rather poor setting in the backend SW.
CheersOct 24, 2017 at 9:50 pm #3498234
Justin WBPL Member
“Tom, there was no modification, other than the ‘this post has been reported…’ notice. I don’t know if the ‘this reply was modified by Micheal L” message appears on other peoples’ computers below that particular post. It does on mine. It’s a first for me. Might have just been a weird computer glitch. No biggy; just kind of funny.”
The above may confirm a pretty strong suspicion. Awhile back, I went through a period where someone kept flagging and reporting my posts (like constantly over a period of many days). It was shortly after Michael and I got into some heated debates about 911. I asked him about it publicly during it, and he denied he was doing it.
But I had a pretty strong gut feeling it was mostly him.Oct 25, 2017 at 8:05 am #3498287
Mark FowlerBPL Member
But a few more kangaroos died without the government contracted shooters having to move shooting position. This is not a bad thing – would be if it was humans – as there are regular kangaroo culls to limit environmental damage. Yes – human modification of the environment is advantageous for several kangaroo species but not all.Oct 25, 2017 at 4:18 pm #3498339
Maybe I missed it–any new regulations or laws passed post Lav Vegas? I don’t think so. Of course not. Rejoice, all you NRAers! Dance dance dance right up to the moment your wife or child are gunned down.
Flannery O’Connor’s story A Good Man is Hard to Find ends with a man who’s just shot dead four or five people speaking about the woman who pleaded for her life by saying how good she’d be if left alive. “She would have been a good woman” he says “if someone had been there pointing a gun at her head every second of her life”. Apparently, even that’s not enough for supporters of the NRA, who seem to enjoy the notion of crazed killers pointing guns and shooting down people in droves. Doesn’t change their behavior one whit. Let’s have more of that! they say. Senators, stand tall for crazed killers! They have rights too.Oct 25, 2017 at 5:51 pm #3498364
What would you propose we do Jeffrey?
I’m neither an NRA supporter nor am I anti-gun. People can parse that however they will.
But I mull our country’s situation over in my head and I keep coming to some very practical considerations in this debate, namely the fact we’re already swimming in guns and I don’t see a practical solution to this. If we banned manufacture and sale of “questionable” makes and models from this day forward I suspect we’d still have enough in the country to fuel a black market for….decades? A century? Same goes for ammo.
I don’t imagine a voluntary “turn it in” or buyback program for questionable makes and models would go over well. Nor would outright seizure. Outright federal/state bans on certain items, as we’ve already seen, will get loopholed to death concerning definitions or outright ignored.
<span style=”line-height: inherit;”>So now what?</span>
My point is not that we do nothing. There are obviously problems here. But my point is that solutions are incredibly lacking or near impossible to implement for many very practical reasons. Too many are are very short-term, knee-jerk reactions that do absolutely nothing to address real issues…..and they’re very difficult to agree upon nationally anyway. I’d argue that if we’re to change gun culture in this country we’re looking at a multi-generational issue. I can say with certainty that the screaming and hollering from both sides isn’t conducive to long-term thinking. Until both sides can tone it down, I wouldn’t expect anything meaningful to happen (sounds like American politics in general, unfortunately).
So basically, I think we’re a bit F’ed concerning gun culture in this country, and F’ed for some very practical, cat’s already out of the bag reasons.
What do we do?Oct 25, 2017 at 7:30 pm #3498372
Hre’s a nice bit of nostalgia:
The <b>Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting</b> occurred on December 14, 2012, in Newtown, Connecticut, when 20-year-old Adam Lanza<sup id=”cite_ref-ID_9-1″ class=”reference”></sup><sup id=”cite_ref-washingtonpost_10-1″ class=”reference”></sup> fatally shot 20 children between six and seven years old, as well as six adult staff members. Prior to driving to the school, he shot and killed his mother at their Newtown home. As first responders arrived at the scene, Lanza committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.
Of course this is just one instance of the ongoing slaughter–ongoing, because it will happen again and soon! As lawmakers are forced once more to grin and shrug.
Craig, saying “I’m neither pro NRA nor anti-gun” seems a bit waffly at this point, don’t you think. Your conclusion of ‘gosh, do nothing’ is exactly what the NRA wants you to think–so, in effect, you are pro-NRA. You adopt their stance. And gee, hasn’t this worked out great so far!! What a swell situation we’re in, following the will of the NRA for all these decades, so why stop now? And remember, it’s only going to get easier to purchase weapons of mass murder from here on out, so get ready!
An alchoholic often says, ‘I’m half drunk now, why stop a good thing?’ If we’d kept the ban that existed on the worst of these weapons twenty years ago, and banned even more,like every other reasonable society on the planet, we would be some way towards working through the hangover of existing weapons. Instead, we’re pouring liquor ever more freely down throats of madmen. Quitting is hard but every drunk has to begin some day or end up dead soon enough.
There are drunk drivers on the streets every day; we don’t shrug and say ‘nothing to be done! We’ll have to live with it!” All societies make illegal unacceptable actions even if they can’t stop them 100 percent, because it lays down a marker. It has symbolic value. Our society valorizes guns. Wrong approach. I think it’s important to actively hate weapons of mass killing in the hands of anyone who wants them. We’re past the waffling stage.Oct 25, 2017 at 7:43 pm #3498374
It’s difficult to find actions that will be effective.
Like gun silencers – they have benefit as detailed previously, not clear making them illegal would prevent problems
I think we should have a commission headed by FBI or whoever to analyze gun misuse and identify solutions
I think a lot of people own guns because they’re cool toys, don’t fantasize killing people. Or they (erroneously) think they’re good self defense. People should be allowed to do this as long as the risk to other people is small.Oct 25, 2017 at 7:52 pm #3498375
I guess I’ll send the NRA a check when I get home. I suppose this means attempts at legitimate discussion are over between us.
Probably my bad for forgetting that the internet is hardly a place for nuanced discussion or opinions that fall outside of black or white.
Oct 25, 2017 at 8:15 pm #3498382
- This reply was modified 3 weeks, 4 days ago by W I S N E R !.
My son and I had a great time throwing ammo downrange this weekend. We were both supposed to shoot in a rim fire precision match but due to illness and rain, we sat it out and went shooting just the two of us on Sunday instead.
I’m a bit embarrassed to say that the fact we were shooting his 10-22 on 10/22 completely flew over my head but fortunately my wife pointed it out. I’d like to make that a yearly tradition but it would only work on the years where 10/22 falls on a weekend.
Prior to this thread, I didn’t give suppressors much thought, but after reading some well reasoned commentary and articles, I’m officially interested.
The long term plan is to optimize my son’s 10-22 for precision shooting, but it’s going to be something we piece together over time. I’ll likely pay the tax stamp on the suppressor soonish since as of right now, it looks like a 10 month waiting period for it to get processed.
The first upgrade on the block is a Tactical Solutions .920″ threaded barrel. It won’t fit in the factory stock, which we wanted to replace anyways with a Boyds At-One adjustable stock. I really like how easy it is to adjust the comb height and length of pull without having to disassemble the stock (like Magpull’s). This will simplify things when we go shooting together. Definitely mounting a bipod on it.
As far as optics go, I’m currently looking at the Nikon P-22 Rimfire. While I’d love to put some Leupold glass on top of his rifle, the Nikon looks like a great option at a fraction of the cost.
This past weekend I mounted a picatinny rail on his rifle along with a Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight Riflescope. Wow am I impressed with this optic! I’ve been shooting mostly with Aim Point for most of my career (a few years with an EoTech) and as far as I’m concerned, the Aim Point is the best for my needs. But, at a small fraction of the cost, the Bushnell TRS-25 is just fantastic. We only shot out to 25 yards to zero his optic and to plink some AR-500 rimfire targets I recently purchased, but we’re going to go back out soon and re-zero it at 50 yards and then start adding some distance to the targets.
The suppressor will be among the last things we purchase since, again, the wait time.Oct 25, 2017 at 8:22 pm #3498384
does the suppressor affect accuracy?Oct 25, 2017 at 8:32 pm #3498388
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
But my point is that solutions are incredibly lacking or near impossible to implement for many very practical reasons.
Only if you lack the will.
Here in Australia we tightened up the laws and staged massive gun surrender amnesties. They worked.
To be sure, the NRA is trying to persuade the Oz gov’t to relax these laws. The gov’t reaction was to stage another gun surrender amnesty.
The USA has a long and painful road to go down to solve this problem. The alternative is to tolerate the daily (and I do mean daily) massacres you are having. Your call.
CheersOct 25, 2017 at 8:34 pm #3498390
I’ve no experience with them so I couldn’t say from personal experience.
I’m buying a barrel that’s 16.5″ before the suppressor. Tacsol also offers a SB-X barrel which is effectively 16.25″ with the suppressor. I like the idea of the smaller form factor of the SB-X but since we’re trying to optimize this rifle for precision, I think 16.5″ barrel (before adding suppressor) is the sweet spot for something that has the ability to be a tack driver without being the length of a musket.
Once it’s all put together, we’ll shoot some match ammo through it both with and without the suppressor to see if there’s any noticeable difference. I suspect there won’t be but even if there was, it’s nice to have options where we can tailor the rifle to the conditions we’re shooting in.Oct 25, 2017 at 8:35 pm #3498392
Exactly.Oct 25, 2017 at 10:39 pm #3498423
The US appears unable or unwilling to act on gun violence, unable or unwilling to act on global warming, unable or unwilling to act on Trumpian degradation and debasement of its political system… do I sense some pattern here?Oct 25, 2017 at 10:46 pm #3498424
…unable or unwilling to deal with racism, unable or unwilling to deal with police violence, unable or unwilling to control the use of illicit drugs, unable or unwilling to provide civilized healthcare to its people…Oct 25, 2017 at 11:02 pm #3498430
Yup Robert it’s a real $#!+hole. The everpresent sound of gunfire and burning bodies hanging from the bridges are a real downer.
The upside is that I always have access to gun powder so when I have a bad laceration, I can literally bite the bullet and cauterize the wound with the gun powder. The KKK owns the local hospital so you wouldn’t want to go there anyways.Oct 25, 2017 at 11:11 pm #3498433
Then I take it we have nothing at all to worry about? That’s a relief. Denial of reality is so comfortable! No hint of crisis; no concern for long term effects; everything’s all right, and we can all go back to sleep. As long as I can stroke my oily barrel, all’s well with the world, well with the US, ahhh with me, at any rate…Oct 25, 2017 at 11:23 pm #3498437
“unable to deal with racism”
in that excellent series by Ken Burns on Vietnam, they had some video of the 1960s/1970s
protests against the Vietnam war and civil rights
they were just barely past the point of allowing black people to ride on buses, sit at diner counters, go to school. There were huge riots where they burned down many blocks of many cities – Watts, Detroit, Harlem,…
I think things are much better now. There has been progress. There have been protests where there was some violence like damage to stores, burning up a police car,… Nowhere near as bad as the 1960s/70s
Not that we should be satisfied with where we’re at, but we should recognize progress has been made. Don’t freak out from the limited violence by BLM, Occupy,… Don’t get frustrated because more progress isn’t being made
Each generation should work to make things better, over time we can make major changes.
The white racists put up the confederate statues to protest civil rights, now we’re finally removing them.Oct 25, 2017 at 11:28 pm #3498438
I agree there has been considerable progress over say the last 6 decades; but hewhoshallnotbenamed appears intent on completely undermining and undoing that progress.Oct 26, 2017 at 12:08 am #3498447
I’ve solved it, thanks to a mishmash of ideas from Jerry and Robert’s posts.
For those unfamiliar, Ronald Reagan passed the Mulford Act as Governor of CA in 1967. It was one of the most sweeping pieces of gun control legislation up to the point. It was largely passed in response to the Black Panther Party legally arming themselves.
Perhaps the anti-gun movement should be doing everything they can to get the BLM movement to arm themselves. When BLM rallies are attended by thousands of black Americans legally armed with AR15s and AK47s then I suspect our country will quite hastily reevaluate its position on assault style weapons and open carry laws.
Hey, it worked in the 60s.
Heavily armed white males aiming weapons at law enforcement? Meh. (White) boys will be boys.Oct 26, 2017 at 12:18 am #3498449
So how many guns per capita is Texas up to these days?Oct 26, 2017 at 12:23 am #3498450
Am I the only one that sees the time of these posts as 12 am? Are we on Roger time ?Oct 26, 2017 at 12:23 am #3498451
Personal nukes for each BLMer! Personal nuke armed and powered submarines for each BPLer I say! Only then can we be free! Nukes4all!
Also reported for inappropriate content by Michael L. Is there no end to this torment?
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