- Oct 12, 2017 at 1:37 pm #3496277
Ken T.BPL Member
Ian is in WA.
I only want certain types of guns outlawed. You may have a bolt action rifle in my Utopia.Oct 12, 2017 at 2:32 pm #3496287
Yes I live in WA but I’m not calling for a ban. I’m likely giving out supressors as stocking stuffers this Festivas.Oct 12, 2017 at 2:45 pm #3496290
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
Do police use ear protection when they use rifles in real life situations?
Are there enough gun firings in real life situations to hurt police hearing?
That article emphasized saving money on lawsuits, maybe it’s more important to not damage police’s hearing out of respect for them?Oct 12, 2017 at 3:36 pm #3496306
A friend from NZ says when he was a kid of 12 he could go into the local general store and pick up a suppressor for his 22. And it only cost about $20.
There are oil filters that people have used to function as suppressors, tho apparently you still have to pay the taxes and go thru the wait times and permission slips from your sheriff etc.
Seems like silencers on big game rifles makes some sense. Reducing the noise from sure hearing loss to maybe hearing loss would be good. Hard to stalk with hearing protection on. One can’t hear sticks breaking, yours or the quarry.
But then again, bow hunting does away with the issue.Oct 12, 2017 at 3:39 pm #3496308
Oh sorry Ian I didn’t mean you–I meant real nihilists. To my mind the nra are nihilists. they actually are turning american society into thunderdome. Except nobody has the charisma of Tina Turner. It turns out the armed people are just like everybody, mostly schlubby in the real thunderdome. Not that cool at all. Like that Vegas shooter.Oct 12, 2017 at 8:51 pm #3496377
“I only want certain types of guns outlawed. You may have a bolt action rifle in my Utopia.”
Like this one? Under 7 lbs. Not backpack light.Oct 13, 2017 at 12:10 am #3496419
Well Paul Jello Ryan just announced that the House will not be taking up any legislation to address guns–period. “Not my problem!” the quivering House leader said from inside the refrigerator where he lives with other vegetables, sauces and condiments. “I think the regulatory agencies would be a better forum for killing…oh, sorry, that’s an unfortunate slip–icing this issue.” Asked if the legislation that would make access to guns more easy and open to everyone is still on his agenda, the frigid Speaker just winked, using one of the carrot sticks suspended in his gelatinous moral being, and said, “it’s the calm before the storm.”
Oct 15, 2017 at 12:18 pm #3496845
- This reply was modified 5 months, 1 week ago by jeffrey armbruster.
Well said, Jeffrey. I don’t begin to understand the American fixation on firearms. I was raised in NZ, live in Korea, and am just finishing up 3 weeks r & r in Japan. No one here, there, or anywhere – other than the US it seems – thinks they have an inalienable right to bear arms, or a juvenile need to shoot off multiple rounds of ammunition, just to ..? What? Prove their manhood? Whatever… The only firearms I have even seen in the last umpteen years, since secondary school where we had cadet training with 303’s from I guess WW2 (training days were very strange occasions), have been on odd occasions in the hands of police and army at airports (and of course at the DMZ); and in the last 15 years I have been almost exclusively living in or near (very) high population intensity cities. Isn’t it about time the US populace grew up? (No offense intended to the very many sensible among you). But who needs such killing machines?Oct 17, 2017 at 10:52 pm #3497349
Seeing how this is chaff, I don’t understand why someone would report jeffery and robert’s posts as inappropriate. The moderators are too few in number here and could use the time sorting out tech issues and such.
That said, I would think Koreans would still be remembering what went on 55 or so years ago.My Dad was grateful he knew how to shoot well, before he was drafted to stop the Chinese hordes. With the dotard and the little rocket man chest bumping, South Koreans may once again need to know how to use guns. Japanese too.Oct 17, 2017 at 11:21 pm #3497351
“With the dotard and the little rocket man chest bumping, South Koreans may once again need to know how to use guns. Japanese too.”
I don’t think anybody questions the ability of the South Korean or Japanese military to use guns. But their societies do not feel the need for every citizen to have the right to acquire a private arsenal and walk around in the streets locked and loaded. Quite the opposite of here. We stand pretty much alone on the face of the planet in that regard.
I will defer to Robert if he objects, but everything I have read to date indicates the South Koreans remember all too well what happened 55 years ago, and have no desire to see everything they have worked so hard to achieve since then reduced to rubble in a matter of days, if not hours, should the chest bumping escalate into a shooting war. Their army is highly trained and motivated, but that will not prevent wide spread destruction before the North Koreans are defeated.
“Seeing how this is chaff, I don’t understand why someone would report jeffery and robert’s posts as inappropriate. The moderators are too few in number here and could use the time sorting out tech issues and such.”
I suspect the moderators will give the reporting the consideration it deserves within a few seconds of reading the above posts, and return to more productive matters.Oct 17, 2017 at 11:32 pm #3497352
It really is gutless to anonymously report posts for inappropriate content. America has a major problem with gun violence, and that problem is greatly exacerbated by the loose controls on gun ownership. Americans need to deal with that issue, and seem incapable of doing so. Civilized society requires individuals to take responsibility for disarming themselves. It is as simple as that. There is no discernible need for individuals to own firearms that are capable of massacres, and if you believe that there is, you are a nutcase, and need to grow up.
As regards the situation in South Korea, which is rather unique, the start of the Korean War has disturbed me for a long long time; SKers were in effect taken by surprise by the invasion of the North, but romantic notions of citizen militias are not the answer. Every able-bodied Korean young man is required to do military training, which extends I think for 21 months. University students regularly disappear for 2 or more semesters to do their duty (the training is staged). Military camps are incredibly thick on the ground, especially near the DMZ. Military culture is popular, but does not normally extend to macho display of firepower.
As far as I am aware, there is no call for citizens to bear arms, or for gun licensing laws to be relaxed. This is a Confucian society. Basically, as in Japan, you can expect to be safe, wherever you go; and your possessions are not likely to be stolen. There is a vary rare incidence of domestic violence involving guns, while although terrorist acts are guarded against, they also are rare. For some reason, NK has not mounted an active terririst campaign, at least in recent years, though there have been isolated historical incidents attributed to them.
As far as I am aware, a minority engages in hunting of game, and are entitled to do so through reasonably strict licensing. All in all, a reasonably sane society, (despite the atrocious driving habits), where mass violence is very rare.Oct 17, 2017 at 11:52 pm #3497356
I didn’t report Robert. I think his posts here come across like a douchebag and will say so, but I didn’t report him.
Jeffrey, you’re still not getting a festivas card this year ;) I didn’t report you either.
Maybe Ben 2 World is butt reporting folks again. I think he accidentally reported himself once. Likely not.Oct 18, 2017 at 12:14 am #3497365
W I S N E R !BPL Member
How about this scenario:
300+ million guns in America. Nobody is voluntarily disarming, nor is anyone going to be forcing anyone to do so. Not anytime soon.
What I suspect will happen is we’ll continue to gravitate toward a different extreme, a society requiring heavy security in just about every imaginable public space. Expect more metal detectors at public events, expect more security lines. We’ll install cameras everywhere, we’ll expect (and demand) a greater police presence at public events. Police will be more likely to shoot first and use greater violence and I’m not sure we can blame them when they have a reasonable right to expect everyone they encounter may be armed and could kill them first. We’ll have to live with wondering if an armed madman could enter a theater or mall or restaurant at any time and we’ll get used to watching for where the exits are. Ironically, our taste for 2nd Amendment “freedoms” might end up turning us into an increasingly paranoid and militarized police state of sorts.
Any of this already sound familiar vs. 20 years ago?
I’d also note that with 300 million guns floating around it’s pretty easy to tip the scale, even for fairly moderate people, in favor of it being better to have one than not. Think about why.Oct 18, 2017 at 12:31 am #3497367
A question I never hear answered by those who suggest we can legislate our problems away is, if guns are outlawed, how do we get those 300 million guns confiscated.Oct 18, 2017 at 1:28 am #3497377
Ian, no Fesitvus card! That’s like taking the chocolate bunny out of Easter! oh well, I’ll muddle on somehow.
Yeah, those 300 million guns floating around…this is the sucky world that the NRA has bequeathed to us: high powered instruments of mass death readily available to any madman with a credit card. And the NRA’s argument is, since you can’t confiscate them all, lets make many millions more available with even fewer restrictions. Because, you know, the schizophrenic street person has a right to a rapid fire rifle too.
My point is, the NRA has had its way for thirty years and now people are being massacred in droves as a direct consequence. When there’s a wildfire somewhere, leave it to the NRA to say that, since things are already burning, we may as well pour on more gasoline, because…well, because we’re in the gasoline business (to extend the metaphor). That way private citizens can start lighting ‘backfires’ to protect themselves, each one on their own with no plan or knowledge or coordination. More wildfires to battle the fires! Of course!!
And then they’ll darkly warn about how women in pant suits will make you clear the brush from around your house if we restrict gasoline in the fire zone.
It’s all madness and people need to stop listening to the crazies and go in the opposite direction.Oct 18, 2017 at 2:01 am #3497389
“Any of this already sound familiar vs. 20 years ago?”
It sounds to me like the downward spiral of a once great nation into either totalitarianism or Hobbsian anarchy. Either way, it makes me glad I probably won’t live to see which.Oct 18, 2017 at 2:29 am #3497391
everything I have read to date indicates the South Koreans remember all too well what happened 55 years ago, and have no desire to see everything they have worked so hard to achieve since then reduced to rubble in a matter of days, if not hours, should the chest bumping escalate into a shooting war. Their army is highly trained and motivated, but that will not prevent wide spread destruction before the North Koreans are defeated.
Tom K, I agree with you, but I repeatedly get (frankly) freaked out by the apparent indifference of SKers to worsening tensions with NK. As far as I can determine (from what I’ve read), the Korean war commenced with a totally unexpected invasion by NK; even though there had been ample warning that this might happen. It caught SK completely off guard. NK did it once, and it worked, for a time, and they might well try it again; but somehow I can’t see that in the event of a successful NK invasion, SKers will dutifully settle down to worshiping the GodKing, especially without french fries and cola, and endless reruns of CNN documentaries. And what could NK expect to do with SK even if they could institute control? SKers are too bloody-minded and in their own delightful way anarchic to tolerate any form of authoritarian power for very long (‘cept the Chaebol, let us now praise the Thrice Holy name of Samsung, whose leaders are regularly crucified, then mysteriously rise from the dead again).
However, simple devastation (of Seoul, environs, and yours truly) is another matter, and could be quickly wrought; but the consequences also would be extreme, and nuclear weaponry would I suspect be useless as a defense. They could expect complete devastation.
KJU is not a fool; but Trump does a magnificent job of appearing thus, and he certainly has not helped matters thus far. One effect of his ineptitude has been to raise Russian interest in what transpires; it is bad enough having to live with Chinese expansionism so close without the thought of Chinese–Russian protection of NK – whose people (it might be argued) need it, unfortunately. Sanctions don’t work, and affect the needy, not the needed.Oct 18, 2017 at 3:38 am #3497400
My last post was modified by…Michael L? that’s a new one on me.
Oh that must be the “inappropriate content” report.
let’s see if this post gets tagged as well…Oct 18, 2017 at 5:31 am #3497405
I must remember to post with my male member hanging out so that I can fully deserve the inappropriate content flag. Way to go, oh so brave Anon.Oct 18, 2017 at 5:47 pm #3497455
“SKers were in effect taken by surprise by the invasion of the North, but romantic notions of citizen militias are not the answer. Every able-bodied Korean young man is required to do military training, which extends I think for 21 months. University students regularly disappear for 2 or more semesters to do their duty (the training is staged). Military camps are incredibly thick on the ground, especially near the DMZ. Military culture is popular, but does not normally extend to macho display of firepower.”
My example was of my Father needing training pre boot camp, not for a militia. And his dad had to mail him a gun because the one issued him was “like throwing rocks” in terms of accuracy. Note; it is against the law these days to send a handgun thru the US mail.
The US was unprepared for the Korean conflict, we sent prop planes up against fighter jets, clothed the soldiers in gear made for the pacific islands when they had to be in sub freezing, snowy temps. etc. My dad said he was thrilled when he got a greasy, hand me down, chicken feather sleeping bag to replace his wool blankets. The kind Patrick McManus said was so lumpy it still had some of the chickens attached.
S Korea is more gun knowledgeable than the US if EVERY male has to take training with guns. Perhaps the US should follow suit?
Did you know the largest mass shooting in the US was done by the US government?
Or that per capita many European countries have had more people killed in mass shootings than the US in the past few years?
Apparently Oz has more guns now than ever before. Wonder what the “gun violence” rate is there?
Disarming or making fun of the vulnerable who want to defend themselves is not a virtue.Oct 18, 2017 at 7:20 pm #3497461
“S Korea is more gun knowledgeable than the US if EVERY male has to take training with guns. Perhaps the US should follow suit?”
It’s amazing how gun advocates scream about their right to defend themselves against a (fantastical) tyrannical government…and then express the wish that everyone should have to have training with guns. I hate guns. I won’t carry one. Surely it would be tyrannical to force me and million of others to take gun training.
Or will I be needed to defend the Homeland against invading Canadians riding on moose back once our lily-livered government capitulates to them without firing a shot?
In any case, a professional army doesn’t want citizen volunteers who’ve seen a few action movies shooting the joint up willy nilly if a real battle erupts. They’re in the way.Oct 18, 2017 at 7:29 pm #3497463
Todd StoughBPL Member
You guys get so worked up about guns. There is virtually zero chance you’re going to be hurt by one. Why not talk about something that matters and is not a right you’re trying to control? Talk about legal medical drugs and side effects, talk about the horrible foods that are pushed through subsidy, talk about the real numbers of people our professional military harm every day and the countless others our gov’t harms though its actions.
Why not talk about what makes a person go crazy like this and figure out how to stop that? The dead and injured would be much worse had he flown one of his planes into the crowd or used a huge truck to drive over them or set off a bomb.
If you’re not a gang member or in a domestic abuse relationship then guns are no risk to you at all.Oct 18, 2017 at 8:13 pm #3497469
“My last post was modified by…Michael L? that’s a new one on me.”
Now that would be the ultimate irony. He gets put in the slammer and ends up being moderator. Woo hoo………
What was the modification anyway?Oct 18, 2017 at 8:51 pm #3497471
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
No, Michael L is NOT a moderator.
And most Australians are proud of the way guns are restricted and the firearms death rate is so low. The NRA has been trying to agitate in Australia to remove the restrictions recently – one can only assume they are being paid to do so by the firearms mfrs and vendors. But popular sentiment is that they (the NRA) can drop dead. We don’t want them here.
CheersOct 18, 2017 at 8:52 pm #3497472
“Or will I be needed to defend the Homeland against invading Canadians riding on moose back once our lily-livered government capitulates to them without firing a shot?”
Yes, like the Viking Berserkers of old, the Flannel Backs, fueled by Elsinore beer, clomping across the Slash on their antlered Shiras and Canada steeds with their Enfields and Webleys in hand.
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