- Apr 26, 2018 at 12:17 pm #3532295
And on that note, I’m out.Apr 26, 2018 at 4:50 pm #3532330
Weasel, troll. Close enough.
I find your attack on weasels to be wholly unwarranted. The weasel family includes a number of members, none of which are in any way similar to the troll family. Indeed, some members of the weasel family are held in considerable regard.
As for “trolling” here, if my posts have been inordinately inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic, I have no problem being taken to task. Hopefully I have not done so (at least not frequently), though I recognize my post disparaging some of your founding fathers did cause some “inflammation.” ;)
(Just to be clear, the second part of that screen cap you posted above (“twisted lack of logic…”) were your words – not mine.)Apr 26, 2018 at 4:50 pm #3532331
[U]sing a real name at least shows me that they’re willing to be accountable for their words. … Anonymity (in my mind) is a barrier to meaningful communication. It’s also a sign to me that the person is not interested in truly engaging; for engagement to happen in a discussion, something real has to be at stake, even if it’s just a name on a screen, so long as that name is real.
Though I don’t agree with all of this, I understand why a person might dislike exchanges with someone who appears to be “hiding” behind anonymity when they have openly put their name on their own statements. I also understand why Kat asked if I was already on the board just posting under a different name. (People don’t like to feel they are being messed with.) So I understand that there are legitimate reasons why someone might chose just to not engage.
But I disagree that it necessarily means an “anonymous weasel” is not interested in truly engaging, or that engagement cannot happen. For that, I think a better barometer might be to look at the actual posts: are they generally substantive and on point?
I lay claim (playing a bit fast and loose with facts) to a distinguished family history of anonymous weasel posting. Because ultimately, aren’t the thoughts and ideas expressed more important than the weasel from which they emanate?
Sincerely, PubliusApr 26, 2018 at 4:51 pm #3532333
[T]there are a number of reasons both professional and private as to why someone would want to keep their for realsie name off of social media… Their reasons are their own but if they aren’t actively trolling, who cares?
Ian St. Ian (if that’s your real name): You are a gentlemen and a … sorry, lost my train of thought there. ;)
Anyways, your comment has made me willing to overlook your own unwarranted attack – on the Sebring. Even so, I feel I must call you out on your factual misstatements. It is not a Chrysler Sebring, it is a Plymouth Sebring. More specifically, a 1972 Plymouth Satellite Sebring Plus. Admittedly it needs work, but when restored it will indeed be a “classic.” I’d have thought a car guy would have known as much, and can only imagine it reflects a systemic Ford bias.Apr 26, 2018 at 6:00 pm #3532342
Ken T.BPL Member
You attacked weasels through your attempt at association. That’s a troll move.Apr 26, 2018 at 6:03 pm #3532343
Ryan SmithBPL Member
N/mApr 26, 2018 at 6:59 pm #3532355
“I’d have thought a car guy would have known as much, and can only imagine it reflects a systemic Ford bias.”
You know what, **** this guy and his white troll hat.
:)Apr 26, 2018 at 9:04 pm #3532374
I had to ask because doubls accounts have happened before. Having a real name is not a must but makes interactions a bit more on the level, in my opinion. You don’t seem to be out to cause trouble, at least no more than I am, so…..no problem here.Apr 26, 2018 at 9:21 pm #3532380
Well since we’re on the topic, I’ve had my doubts about W space I space S space N space E space R space exclamation point possible space being a legit name. It’s a big planet but this is the first time I’ve ever heard of someone being named after six individual letters and punctuation before.
Ken T? That sounds like some BS to me. I’ve checked the white pages and there isn’t a single person with the last name of T within a couple thousand miles, and possibly anywhere in the US. I’m throwing the BS flag.Apr 26, 2018 at 9:23 pm #3532381
Four of the past six days have been spent in airplanes and airports. As my posts might suggest, I might be reaching my cracking point.Apr 26, 2018 at 9:42 pm #3532383
I used to be Craig Wisner on screen. Then just Craig W. And then, after some random conversation with Doug (whose last name I will not mention to protect the innocent) on some random topic, he said something to the effect of say it loud and proud, so I changed to W I S N E R !.
So that’s my screen name story. But you all know you’re dealing with Craig Wisner. Most of you know the whereabouts of where I live (if you haven’t actually been to my house), what I do for a living, maybe even where I work, that I have kids, my age, my interests, my phone number…Nothing to hide here.
I respected the fact that in the early days BPL actually required (or urged) members to use real names. That seems to have gone out the window. Which I think is too bad, because real names actually mean something to me. Nothing against whoever W.H.G. is, but I’m not too interested in conversing online with people that choose to be anonymous. Might as well log on to Yahoo! and start leaving comments among the billions there.
I “know” who most of you are from being here for years. Where most of you live, what most of you do for a living, what many of you are interested in. And maybe even a little bit of what makes you tic. That means something to me. It informs conversations. It lends perspective to where you’re coming from in discussions. While this may be the internet, Chaff is actually a little sliver of real people that have somehow found each other…which is really the only reason participating here means anything to me. Using a real name online, especially in discussions like we have here, is an act of good faith in my book.
For whatever its worth.Apr 26, 2018 at 9:51 pm #3532385
Before Craig guilt-trips WHG into producing his real identity, I’ll mention that I take great pride in being the first BPLer to crack the case and uncovering his real identity.
Go ahead William Eubanks… tell them about your musical career as lead banjo and all about your failed radish farm in North Dakota.Apr 26, 2018 at 10:00 pm #3532387
I have never seen “Ian St. Ian” in any phone book – obviously a made up name
Why is there an extra space between “W.H.” and “G”?
I am a minimalist. I never do any actions not required. I have never figured out how to change my name. Or figured out how to put in a picture. I guess I’m slothful.
On that other site I put in a picture because occasionally someone runs into me on the trail and it’s fun to say hi.
Hmmm… I could put a cartoon picture of Trump as my avatar….
Unlike Ian, I have no excuse for this, I am in my RV looking out over the bay. About time to fire up the grill and put the steaks on.Apr 26, 2018 at 10:19 pm #3532389
Not trying to guilt trip anyone. Not mad, not angry, not sad. Ken brought it up and I’m just spouting off about something that I think is highly worth considering. It’s not just here with W.H.G., people have mentioned it in other threads, angry and calling out our resident anarchist, aka JM (his Peter Kropotkin avatar pictured below) for remaining anonymous.
“I am a minimalist. I never do any actions not required. I have never figured out how to change my name. Or figured out how to put in a picture. I guess I’m slothful.”
You crack me up Jerry.Apr 26, 2018 at 10:25 pm #3532391
“Unlike Ian, I have no excuse for this, I am in my RV looking out over the bay.”
Hey, there’s no bay at Seven Feathers!Apr 26, 2018 at 10:48 pm #3532397
It’s mainly because I’m not real backpacker – lightweight or otherwise. (Though I’ve spent plenty of time overnight in the great outdoors, that was many years ago.) I joined mostly so I could make a single post: a picture on Jan. 1st (though the site’s crazy time zone dates it as Jan. 2) that pointed to the likelihood of the world remaining in balance for 2018. I used a nom de guerre mostly because it matched the theme of the post.
Alas, the allure of the forums’ promise of “Intelligent conversations about … philosophy from the most passionate backpackers in the world” drew me back. That, and my penchant for being un entremetido.
But I never intended my initial post about worldly balance to lead to upset in equilibrium here. So maybe it’s fair that I leave these boards until such time as I expose myself (which will include pictures) or at least become an actual backpacker (presuming attending a GGG counts).Apr 26, 2018 at 11:21 pm #3532400
may head over to Seven Feathers tomorrow
nice swimming poolApr 26, 2018 at 11:28 pm #3532402
I think you might be selling yourself short W.H.G. . I don’t think anyone here, and most especially on the Chaff side of things, would judge you in the slightest based on backpacking experience (or lack thereof). I’m probably coming across as an A-hole. It’s not personal and I’m not looking to run anyone off. It’s just a part of a larger topic that came up. Judging by the silence, I’m probably the only one that cares. So by all means, please carry on, and I’ll zip it on the issue from here on out.Apr 26, 2018 at 11:33 pm #3532407
“I don’t think anyone here, and most especially on the Chaff side of things, would judge you in the slightest based on backpacking experience (or lack thereof)”
I would. Most definitely. But that’s just me….Apr 26, 2018 at 11:34 pm #3532408
I care enough to notice there’s a space between “W.H.” and “G”
I like different opinions rather than the same old opinions given for the Nth time (especially mine)
I don’t like personal attacks with the hope there will be counter personal attacks just to make everyone feel bad. Chaff usually isn’t too bad that way.Apr 26, 2018 at 11:36 pm #3532409
“I care enough to notice there’s a space between “W.H.” and “G””
That’s not caring. That’s …. hmmmm….. I think it’s called anality….Apr 27, 2018 at 1:12 am #3532421
jeffrey armbrusterBPL Member
@bookLocale: Northern California
I’ve read most of this thread. Actually everyone makes pretty good points. I’m just reacting now to WH G being attacked as a troll. Agree or disagree, he makes reasoned arguments. I find the “troll” accusation unfair.. Poor sport. I’d award a free throw if I could.Apr 27, 2018 at 1:14 am #3532424
Ken T.BPL Member
Most regular Chaff participants know enough about each other to have an idea where their comments are coming from. Most of us in this thread actually have met one another. So an anonymous on purpose newcomer is like, well, kinda weird.
OK so it might be a bit of a stretch to label an anyomous self proclaimed weasel a troll on an Internet forum backwater. Apologies. Doesn’t really seem like attacking an actual person though, to me. Embrace our differences, lol.Apr 27, 2018 at 1:36 am #3532430
I couldn’t tell if “troll” was disrespectful or a term of endearmentApr 27, 2018 at 1:50 am #3532432
Michael LBPL Member
I think you might be selling yourself short W.H.G. . I don’t think anyone here, and most especially on the Chaff side of things, would judge you in the slightest based on backpacking experience (or lack thereof). I’m probably coming across as an A-hole. It’s not personal and I’m not looking to run anyone off. It’s just a part of a larger topic that came up. Judging by the silence, I’m probably the only one that cares. So by all means, please carry on, and I’ll zip it on the issue from here on out.
I’m not a big fan of the anonymity either. I know most of the people on my other main message board and have conversed with many of the ones on here through PM or email.
I doubt anybody cares about lack of experience in backpacking either. Like the outdoors? Great. But lack of vast experience…not a big deal.
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