- Nov 11, 2019 at 11:31 pm #3618230
“Cars are just transportation – point A -> point B – without breaking down. Cheaper is good.”
Good thing your wife has a similar attitude toward her husband, eh? :-)Nov 11, 2019 at 11:46 pm #3618236
yeah, a Tacoma, it’s just transportation, I forget the name. Except this truck I love
My Ranger – where the door closed the two sides didn’t quite line up. Functional though
The Tacoma – the two sides line up
And the Ranger, after maybe 5 years, the paint started coming off. Same with the F150 I had before that. My Toyotas always looked like new.Nov 11, 2019 at 11:47 pm #3618237
Brenda – had several dream rides that wore out, she now values reliability. Has begun to appreciate my humor and tolerate my know-it-all-ism.Nov 12, 2019 at 12:14 am #3618241
Toyotas, with a few exceptions, are no doubt some of the best built longest running vehicles on the road. We’ve owned several and have two in our fleet right now. I like jeeps but I’m glad I have a Toyota to drive when the Jeep is brokenNov 12, 2019 at 1:32 am #3618245
Your new Tacoma is not an inexpensive basic ride at all Jerry. I have never owned anything even remotely as fancy and expensive as that.Nov 12, 2019 at 1:34 am #3618246
…and I know how much they cost.
the most I have ever spent when buying a vehicle has been 2,800 dollars and that only happened once.Nov 12, 2019 at 2:35 am #3618256
Oh for sure Kat. They are great, but they’ve really walked away from the enthusiast market. I’m glad they brought back the Supra but that’s BMW technology. The Toyota 86 is a Subraru. I’d love to see Toyota go back to the days when they built every wo/man enthusiast cars like the Celica GTS and mid engine MR2 that delivered grin factor without bankrupting the average person.
Their current line up of sedans that are actually built by Toyota for the US market are highly practical and quality vehicles, they aren’t however the vehicles you think about jumping into for the driving experience per se (BMW Supra and Subaru 86 being exceptions, but not Toyotas).
They do have a stronghold in the off-roading 4×4 market and their TRD Pro line of 4x4s seem to be well received.Nov 12, 2019 at 2:46 am #3618258
@iagoLocale: Boston & Galicia, Spain
@kattt: Love that truck!! Except for the Citroen DS, the rest of cars in your list I rode in somewhat frequently as a kid since they were owned by either my dad or my aunts and uncles. The only one I miss is the Renault 4, commonly known in Spain as the “4 tin cans”. As a kid, I always loved how roomy it was. How it rode on the dirt mountain roads. Yes, it was tippy, but tippy is fun when you are a kid in the backseat and your dad is lifting a cloud of dust riding to grandpa and grandma’s. And it must have been the most practical vehicle sold in Spain in the 70s, 80s and 90s. I knew quite a few masons who folded the seats down and/or put a roof rack, and used it as their “work truck”. And until they could afford another vehicle, clean it up and have it be the family car on the weekends.
Most cars I have owned have been for transportation. I can’t afford a dream car. Toyotas standout as the ultimate reliability. The only car I ever owned whose styling I ever loved was a dark blue Volvo 240 GL or DL or something or other station wagon in immaculate condition. We inherited it from a relative and I did love that car. I didn’t love how much fuel it needed compared to our 4 cylinder Toyotas, and everyone kept tell us now expensive it would be to repair. We kept it for about a year, but when our son was born and it was time to cut expenses, including insuring three cars for two drivers, we sold the car. I can’t afford a dream car. But if I could, I think I’d go for a classic. That 911 looks fantastic! My grandfather had a large Land Rover back in the 80s and 90s. Nobody liked that car, including my grandfather.
Sooooo, bikes. Aesthetically, I have come to the conclusion that skinny steel tubes in a classic lugged triangle are the best looking frames. I love titanium as a frame material and that Moots is gorgeous. But I want skinnier tubes still. I am waiting to find an inexpensive frame with V brakes to clean up and restore. If money wasn’t an object, I would buy a frame from Crust Bikes and build it up. I like their lugged Romanceur and I appreciate the simplicity of disc brakes.
For mountain bikes, if money were no object, I would want a Hunter Cycles frame. His is the only dual suspension bike frame I have ever liked.
From an “affordable” standpoint, about 3 weeks ago I bought the most expensive mountain bike I have ever owned. After more than 3 years of looking on eBay, Craigslist and Facebook, I came across a used Surly Krampus in red for less than 50% of MSRP. And while I had purchased a used Orbea Alma from a coworker a year ago after giving up on the Surly, I have to say I love how the Surly rides much more. I’m not sure if I’m having more fun on it because I’m a more confident rider on it or if it’s something else, but I love the Krampus. Perhaps the increase in tired width from 2.2″ to 2.6″ has something to do with it, but I think it’s something else. I just feel more balanced off the saddle on the Krampus than the Orbea. Perhaps the particular frame fits me better… Gotta see if I can recoup my investment in the Orbea.
I guess I’m getting old. I like classic looks much better than the new high tech stuff.Nov 12, 2019 at 3:19 am #3618261
About half a decade ago, perhaps a bit more, I had a Cervelo P2 tri bike. Man, that was one sweet ride. Never went as fast on a bike as I did on that thing. Ah memories.Nov 12, 2019 at 4:00 am #3618265
I don’t know, I think that for Jerry’s situation, his Tacoma could be considered a basic ride. He didn’t get any bells and whistles with it, no 4-wheel drive, no heated seats, etc. It’s about as basic a Tacoma as you can get. The fact that it’s new doesn’t make it something other than a basic ride – a basic ride doesn’t have to mean it’s an older used vehicle. It’s all about context I think.Nov 12, 2019 at 4:19 am #3618276
“Cars are just transportation…..cheaper is better”
I am sorry but in my world and that of many many others that does not equal anything near a new Tacoma. Yes, context is everything.Nov 12, 2019 at 4:24 am #3618278
Hey, I am not down on anyone owning a nice vehicle; I am just calling out that it is indeed a nice vehicle.Nov 12, 2019 at 4:27 am #3618279
I guess, in my mind anyway, a nice vehicle doesn’t exclude it from being a basic ride. Again, different situations for different people, FWIW.Nov 12, 2019 at 4:29 am #3618280
W I S N E R !BPL Member
@iago: I agree on the skinny steel tubing; I tend to shy away from the larger diameter carbon looks these days. Can’t go wrong with Surly for basic steel. My offroad rig is currently a full rigid, USA-built vanadium steel Gary Fisher. Would love to switch my road frame to a Cinelli Vigorelli. Not out of reach by any means, but simply not necessary as there’s nothing wrong with my current Cannondale CAAD9. Again, an older frame that was handmade in USA, which is pretty rare in everything but cottage bikes these days. I currently like the All City Gorrilla Monsoon, especially the paint job; photo doesn’t do it justice, it’s a really cool glitter fade..I wouldn’t mind replacing my current road and mtb rides with a single bike like this.
I guess I should’ve have assumed nobody wanted to talk bikes!Nov 12, 2019 at 4:18 pm #3618336
I got a 4 cylinder. With 4 cylinder there are no options available. I have to unlock with key in driver door, no lock on passenger door. No GPS… $28K.
The next most expensive model is $38K and it goes up from there. I am a proud cheapskate. And I don’t tow or go off road. The 4 cyl has the same ground clearance to drive up roads to trailheads. I should use this for at least 10 years so the cost isn’t too bad. Cash. I have never borrowed money to buy a car. If you can’t afford cash, you can’t afford that car is my theory.
It’s funny that Doug knew that I had a Tacoma, not Tundra. And a year ago he saw a picture of the corner of the truck and knew it wasn’t my old Ranger but I bought a new pickup.Nov 12, 2019 at 6:20 pm #3618359
Erik GBPL Member
@fox212Locale: Central Coast
Many of you know I’m a pretty die-hard Subaru enthusiast, even though they’ve abandoned their enthusiast contingent in much the same way Toyota has. Alas, turbo Subarus and their rally heritage will always stir me.
I’m working on reviving my old WRX and getting it back on the road. It is the first car I bought and holds a special place in my memory. Not sure I’ll ever get rid of it, it’s just so much fun to drive!
Dream car – I have many – but this little beast is near the top of the list for sure:Nov 12, 2019 at 6:29 pm #3618361
Nice car Eric! My 16 y/o son has dropped some not so subtle hints that he wants a WRX STI or an Evo. I admire his taste in cars but he has no idea what that would do to our insurance.Nov 12, 2019 at 8:27 pm #3618370
W I S N E R !BPL Member
If I had gotten my hands on a WRX STI as a teenager it would’ve certainly been my death!Nov 12, 2019 at 9:05 pm #3618377
Same here Craig. Fortunately his current earnings puts him in the market for a WRX somewhere in his mid to late twentiesNov 13, 2019 at 3:17 am #3618426
@iagoLocale: Boston & Galicia, Spain
Dream car… I realized a couple of weeks back that the car I want to realistically buy is no longer in production. A Subaru Baja with a more fuel efficient engine than the original, much like it has happened to all Subarus in the last few years. As much pick up truck as I need 99% of the time, whether on family trips, home depot errands or getting to remote trailheads. I guess the Forester will have to do. A Tacoma is out of my budget. Trucks keep getting bigger and bigger. Remember the old Rangers before they went out of production? That was a good looking, small truck. The new one is the size the F-150s 10 years ago. Or so it seems to my untrained eye. I need a small, fuel efficient pickup vehicle with clearance. That is what I call a Sport Utility Vehicle. For the most part, there ain’t no real utility in those “raised” station wagons they call SUVs… In fact, I prefer an actual station wagon to an SUV… As Craig pointed out, a hatchback is super practical. We went to the dealer to buy a Honda Fit back in 2013, but somehow the seating position made my knee throb within 2 minutes. My knees have a history of injuries and my left one didn’t agree with the car.
@craig. Bikes… Yeah, All-City has a great line! Love their bikes! It was funny a couple of weeks back I was at a large bike shop. They have Surlys in their catalogue. They had zero in the store, despite having pretty much everything else your heart could desire. Then I came across the employee rack. One of them had a nicely accessorized All-City. Really, really nice!
Love fixing old bikes. In my garage I have an old rigid Gary Fisher Marlin that I inherited when I helped a friend’s boyfriend move. Apparently the bike was some roommate from a few years before and it was left in the yard outside to rust for like 3 or 4 years. I was surprised about its condition. They contacted the original owner who couldn’t even remember the bike. So they gave it to me. I took it home and little by little fixed it up. New bottom bracket, crankset, brakes, brake levers and cables, plus a thorough cleanup and lube job was all that was needed to get it into working order. Right now it has smooth 26×1.5″ tires and Wald baskets front and back, as well as a comfy Velo Orange Milan handlebar. It’s my around town errand ride as well as the family hauler on day exploration trips. Very practical!
In a couple of years, when my son outgrows the Trek 800 Mountain Track Sport I restored for him to ride to school, I will take the baskets off and give it to him as his middle and high school ride. That frame was on the sidewalk waiting for the garbage truck. I actually can’t wait for him to move to the Gary Fisher. I have been lucky. He hasn’t realized he has a step-through frame. One of my friends starting asking my son about how he felt about his “girl” bike… Luckily, seeing where the question was going, I cut him off before he finished asking… Geeeezzz. It’s dark green! It simply has a “different” geometry!! I’m afraid someone will tease him about his “girl” bike in school and he won’t want to ride it anymore. He’s still too short for the Gary Fisher. Actually, despite some comments about his “old bike”, most kids that see his bike like it. I put a basket on it and bar ends in the middle of the handlebar (does that make them bar mids?), so he can get into an aero position.
Other bikes and frames in different stages of disassembly are peppered through my garage and basement, which is one of my wife’s headaches. One of them is a Fuji Del Rey. Beautiful frame, but just too big for me :( I had high hopes for it.Nov 13, 2019 at 4:49 am #3618435
Funny how car makers make the same model bigger and more expensive from year to year.
At least toyota doesnt intentionally make cars self destruct after a few years so you have to buy a new oneNov 13, 2019 at 1:38 pm #3618472
Ken ThompsonBPL Member
@hereLocale: Right there
I killed my Subaru. Just bought a 2010 Honda Pilot. Man, that’s a lot of technology.Nov 13, 2019 at 4:23 pm #3618503
We let the Ranger go for 18 years before replacing. The Camry went 19 years. They were both completely functional, but it just seemed time.Nov 13, 2019 at 5:02 pm #3618511
^^^ I can’t even imagine. First world I tell ya. We are a most spoiled bunch here, myself included.Nov 13, 2019 at 9:02 pm #3618540
I’m not taking a jab at you Katt but I believe a lot of these things are relative. Kind of like the example that those who drive slower than us are @$$holes and those who drive faster are maniacs. For some, cars are a means to an end (my Tundra, that’s actually a Tundra) and sometimes they are the end (the Jeep I’m restoring).
The nature of the relationship with our possessions is interesting to ponder, but “spoiled” is subjective. The thought of living in a charming cabin in the woods like yours has great appeal to me, and I could make that happen, but I have other priorities that hold greater importance to me. That doesn’t make me wrong or you right, just that we’re different people with different priorities.
Some might say a $28,000 car is a luxury. Others would look at $28,000 amortized over 15-20 years of trouble free use that can haul a new dishwasher from Lowe’s or deliver the occupant to a trailhead at the end of a washed out road as a practical expenditure. The same truck would seem modest to Bill Gates or an unobtainable goal to a impoverished family in rural India.
Context is everything here
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